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    12-27-2008, 10:35 PM
I disagree to a certain point that the terrain must be stable enough to withstand your horse moving on it. Hill work is a great way to condition your horse. Sand would also be a good alternative. But rocks, loose/slippery dirt or turf where holes and such may not be visible is very unsafe.

In my opinion, less than "good" surfaces is what will cause injuries.
An I also think that leg protection is necessary in certain cases, such as a green horse to prevent brushing/clipping/overreaching etc. and while jumping or training lateral movements.

I'd be interested to hear your "different terrain" descriptions in more specific detail. And also the article.
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    12-27-2008, 11:41 PM
I do not know what you just said, lol
    12-28-2008, 12:03 AM
Bah I can't find the article! UGH.....

Anyway - varying terrain including different conditions like wet/muddy, dry, hard packed, sandy, etc. The workload must be comparable to the conditioning of the horse, in order for the bones and stay apparatus to successfully remodel - by that I mean you need to slightly push the comfort zone into fatigue without causing failure. In this case I'm talking fatigue of bones/ligaments not cardio, though the same holds true with cardio.

Boots - agreed good to use when support is necessary when recovering from an injury, and brushing boots (w/o support) are good to protect from interference injuries. Boots are also great to support the muscles/joints/ligaments when working to increase the payload doing conditioning work - I.e. When working outside the horse's current realm of conditioning. As the conditioning increases, the need for the boots decreases as the "normal" condition level of the horse is increased to the next level. Boots are then needed when you increase workload or work in new conditions the horse has not yet accustomed to.

Hope that make sense. I'll keep trying to find the **** article. There was one that also discusses the difference b/t US and UK racehorses (TBs in specific) where in the UK conditioning often includes gallops off the track, across varying terrain - grass, hills, dirt, mud, etc., that leads to better remodeling of the musculo-skeletal system. Whereas in the US most horses are run only in ideal conditions, frequently in track bandages, on groomed conditioned tracks, with consistant depth and texture, etc. etc. This causes the bones to not need higher density due to the lower impact surfaces and over-protection of their legs. It becomes a combination of overprotection coupled with overuse that causes the often catastrophic injuries that have become more common on the track these days. Overprotection = overuse of boots, groomed, conditioned surfaces, etc., coupled with running at young ages without allowing the bones to develop. There was actually a study done that said starting horses young was not an issue as long as they were started properly, and built up workload gradually, over varying terrain for proper remodeling. Unfortunately that's usually not the case and the work progesses at too fast a rate, in a manner that's stated above.
    12-28-2008, 04:19 AM

My reply was directed to CJ28Sky. Sorry to confuse you.
    12-28-2008, 08:46 AM
Dont do it you could end up with the horse stuck in the snow. Not worth it
    12-28-2008, 08:28 PM
I am going out tommorrow, and the snow is all melted, no snow on the ground. How high do you think I could jump, you know because the snow melted?
    12-28-2008, 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by morganshow11    
i am going out tommorrow, and the snow is all melted, no snow on the ground. How high do you think I could jump, you know because the snow melted?

You'll have similar issues in mud as you will snow depending on footing depth and what the horse is conditioned for, specifically the conditioning of the stay apparatus and the bone density in the front legs, with additional concern for balance of the horse and the potential to slip. If you are not experienced in this (which it sounds to me like you are not) and your horse has not conditioned for this - and by that I mean can easily w/t/c balanced over the same footing you are asking the horse to jump in, then imo do not jump. Period. If you want to condition your horse to do this in the future, work with a trainer that will help both you and your horse build the necessary strength and capacity to balance and ride safely and successfully in the slop, be it mud, snow, or whatever. Again NOT ICE.

Most importantly, remember accidents can happen in ANY footing, so be mindful of what you are doing and make sure that you are experienced in the terrain you are asking your horse to cover. Riding in less than ideal footing is fine for someone who is experienced in it, with a horse conditioned for it, but you need to make sure that you're aware that there are more risks, and need to be able to competently face those risks.
    12-29-2008, 03:12 PM
I'll jump in the snow if it's just a litle flutter. However, if it's landed and seems to be piling up I suggest you leave jumping for a day or use a indoor school.
    01-11-2009, 03:36 PM
There's an indoor at the barn I go to. I don't have to worry about that. I don't think you should though, it's a little risky. We don't want your horse to be injured!
    01-11-2009, 08:59 PM
Your luckey. Here if there is an indoor than its like $300 per month. So I have to ride in the yuckey snow.

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