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    12-06-2012, 04:35 PM
  #11
Trained
Actually, he isn't interfering. At those heights you'll be bumped off. He is holding on and balancing on his knees, working hard to not interfere. Think about it--you CAN jump bareback, and you cannot push out of the way with your stirrups, then, hence the wisdom of learning to jump without them.
First photo, slack rein. Second photo and third photo, contact, happy horse posture (ears forward.) These courses are tough and the rider has to make changes often as soon as the horse lands bc you can't communicate the order of the jumps with your horse ahead of time.
Something else, a good jumper will take you with him. A poor jumper will throw you up when you jump. It has to do with the horse being able to "couple" or get the hind legs way underneath before the takeoff. Poor jumpers jump everything flat.
If your only jumping experiences have been on a poor jumper, it's like the difference between driving a clunker over the RR tracks, and driving a Mercedes on a smooth road.
     
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    12-06-2012, 04:55 PM
  #12
Yearling
Um...his knees aren't even touching anything in the third photo.
Forward ears =/= happy. Just as backward ears =/= unhappy. Forward ears means the horse is focusing on what's ahead. The horse's expression comes across to me as looking rather anxious...in a bad way.
     
    12-06-2012, 05:11 PM
  #13
Trained
Yes the photos look shocking, but as mot of you have admitted on the first page, you would never jump a fence like those in the photos.
IMO it takes one to judge one and I tend to side with Corporal. I have never jumped fences around 5' in height, especially not on such a horse and so I'm not in a position to judge the guy. And if international riding is all about "setting a good example" with your equitation then why the heck are most of the people at the top of the sport, at the top of the sport? Edward Gal has terrible lower leg position (because he is so tall he needs to ride with short stirrups), Charlotte D rides around with nearly straight elbows, etc.. and yet they are all great riders. It's about functional equitation, not what comes out of a textbook. If it works for the rider and the horse, then that's great. Of course we all must learn "textbook" equitation to get the functional bit in the beginning, but after that, it's what works for the horse and rider.
I admire the fact that he can be so loose over those fences.
     
    12-06-2012, 06:09 PM
  #14
Trained
I was going to pass since this involves jumping, but I decided it was OK since I'm repeating something I've seen both George Morris and VS Littauer write. Both were referring to someone whose form looked...well, UNIQUE. And the point they both made was that the rider in question had so much natural grace and balance, and combined it with such a sure and certain feel for the horse, that he could jump impressively regardless of appearance.

Littauer went on to make the point that mortal people should be careful in saying, "But so and so does XYZ" because so and so might be one of those 0.001% of people who could make it work. I looked Roger Yves Bost up on the web, looked at about 50 pictures of him, and decided anyone who jumps successfully like that is someone I have no business criticizing. I'd wet myself with fear just looking at those fences.

What Corporal is writing sounds like how VS Littauer said he was first taught jumping. He also said that style of jumping worked very well with certain types of horses.

Since I don't jump, I guess I'll be content to be amazed at how graceful some people are, and how willing some horses are, and leave it at that...
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    12-08-2012, 09:44 PM
  #15
Weanling
I remember seeing a thread a while back about a female rider in the highest levels of jumping who jumped like that. She did it because her horse couldn't have any contact over the fence, I believe. In those pictures, you can't see his landing, but watch a video of a rider who jumps "unique" like that, and you will see the landing on the horses back is anything but smooth and comfortable. No, I have never jumped that height of fence, and no I probably never will, so I am not judging them, but I do believe, that proper eq would encourage, and help the horse even more over jumps that size. Ill be back... Im going to find a video of the female rider I am speaking of...

Ahhh, here is the video. Dear annette

Her riding gets the job done, and her horse can clear those jumps no problem, and I am NOT critizing her, but I wonder how smashing onto his back affects him? I bet she would even be more effective with a more solid leg. Just my thoughts.

No rider is perfect
     
    12-08-2012, 09:55 PM
  #16
Showing
Being a mostly self taught rider, I'm more open to the idea of "riding however is best for you and your horse" than many folks are. Sure, it looks weird to me, and I have no idea how he sticks with the drop when he's perched on top of the horse like that, but since he's riding at the level he's riding, then he must be doing what's right and/or comfortable for him.

IMHO, so long as the rider is fluid and soft and doesn't interfere or hurt the horse, then they can ride however they want to as far as I'm concerned.
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    12-08-2012, 10:12 PM
  #17
Trained

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    12-08-2012, 11:51 PM
  #18
Started
Watching that and other videos, bsms, I must say I have even less liking for his "style" - it seems to involve reefing on the horse's mouth a fair bit, and that very loose lower leg has a spur on the end which he seems to be all too happy to use (often in conjunction with reefing on the poor horse's mouth). Nope, can't support riding like that, I don't care how high he's jumping.
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    12-09-2012, 12:01 AM
  #19
Super Moderator
I feel qualified to comment here.

The second photo DOES illustrate a rider who is behind the motion of the horse. His weight is too far back and it could cause the horse to drop his haunch into the jump...costing rails.

While I think he gets away with this form, I think it is because he has excellent horses, as much as for his good riding. If a person is fearless and aggressive, it can go a long way. Annette proved that one.

Corporal, jumping without stirrup is supposed to TEACH people to have a good lower leg on the horse to compensate for not having the stirrup to rely on. Jumping form is even MORE important.




     
    12-09-2012, 02:05 AM
  #20
Yearling
^^
Good God. Thank you, Allison.
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