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post #21 of 28 Old 12-10-2012, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch View Post
I feel qualified to comment here.

The second photo DOES illustrate a rider who is behind the motion of the horse. His weight is too far back and it could cause the horse to drop his haunch into the jump...costing rails.

While I think he gets away with this form, I think it is because he has excellent horses, as much as for his good riding. If a person is fearless and aggressive, it can go a long way. Annette proved that one.

Corporal, jumping without stirrup is supposed to TEACH people to have a good lower leg on the horse to compensate for not having the stirrup to rely on. Jumping form is even MORE important.

That's what I wanted to say as well, but I was certainly not the qualified one to say it!

Well said.
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post #22 of 28 Old 12-10-2012, 12:16 PM
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Wow. Just watched the 2 videos posted.

Annette Lewis's video, as far as pure looks go, looks horrendous. I do see she drops the rein contact over each jump, but I feel like the reins shouldn't have anything to do with holding your body position over a jump? (As you shouldn't brace your body by holding onto the reins.) I guess clearly it works for her and her horse, and I've haven't even gone over one jump yet myself (had my second English riding lesson over the weekend) so I cannot speak from experience. But it certainly looks atypical. Reminds me of a jumping frog.

And off topic ... but I hated that she was smacking her horse with praise at the end of it. Right away I'm thinking: Why is she hitting her horse in the neck?!?! Did he miss a jump?!?! Then I realized she was praising him. If he can feel a fly land on his neck, he certainly can feel it if you simply pat his neck in praise. Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine.

And Roger Yves's video, he seems to be yanking on his horse's mouth before the jumps towards the end of the video. When he goes over the second to last jump, he yanks before the jump, horse's head shoots up, and then when he makes the sharp right turn after the jump, he's bouncing around on the horse, hanging on the reins. You can see the horse's front legs bounce off the ground in response to his hanging on the reins to get his balance.

Again, I have never ridden a jumping horse period so I can't even imagine how difficult that course is. But ...... I guess being a "beginning English" rider, I would expect more out of a high level jumper who's been doing this a long time.

Can anyone expand on his way of riding? For my English learning purposes. I know every ride won't be perfect and mistakes will sometimes be made, but I just wonder if he did indeed have a better seat and leg in his jumping, he wouldn't have lost his balance around that last sharp turn in the course, and braced on the horse's mouth.

And is it common practice to jerk on a horse's mouth before a jump, when they are getting excited and ahead of themselves? I don't mean that in a derogatory way at all; I really have no idea and am curious. I understand the horses get pretty hot during a jumping course, but I wonder if there is a better way to get them to rate themselves before a jump instead of jerking.
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post #23 of 28 Old 12-10-2012, 12:54 PM
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I know next to nothing about jumping but he looks like he is just along for the ride, ha ha.

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post #24 of 28 Old 12-11-2012, 09:12 AM Thread Starter
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To be fair, the video posted was from 2009, and the competition I watched was from 2012. He seemed far less in the horse's mouth than in the first. However, watching these level competitions always make me a little uncomfortable about how much rein is used in general - however, I also make no claim to being any where near as good as any of them, and I can see that they have minimal "seat" to ride with, so it's just a personal ideal.

This is from October this year.

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post #25 of 28 Old 12-11-2012, 11:36 AM
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Those are tall A$$ jumps. WOW! He came unseated and left leg came up on that one. Just shows how hard it is to stay seated and on the horse! Was fun to watch. Thanks.

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post #26 of 28 Old 12-12-2012, 09:25 PM
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I have only been jumping for a year now, but I have spent plenty enough time at the barn watching and talking with high level riders to know what you should be doing. Lower leg aside, traditional equitation aside, the way he rides that horse around the course jabbing at his mouth and spurring him is pretty uncalled for to me. Then again I only watched the latest video, I didn't want to see the first ones because I really dislike watching things like this. He may have been better earlier, but I have no idea. Im going to just hope he was having an off day, plus the pressure of riding at that high of a level has got to be CRAZY!
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nvr2many - if you think they're big check out puissance! My eyes nearly plopped onto my keyboard watching videos of that...
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I've been jumping for years... and sometimes, over the big stuff, or if my horse jumps something really hard, i lose my leg. I can literally feel my leg swing backwards. It's the worst most unstable feeling in the world. I really cannot imagine just jumping around like that, with my legs swinging, like it's the norm. haha!

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