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        01-30-2009, 02:42 PM
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    Well a few weeks ago I went to go jump and me and Cricket had a little bit of a problem. We made some new jumps and the poles are hollow plumbing pipes and me and cricket had jumped them before with no problem. So anyways the other day I went to go jump and I just set up a small crossrail because we hadn't jumped in a while and I was trotting up to it and she refused but put her hoof on one of the rails and it made a pretty loud noise and fell... then cricket flew backwards. I hung on her neck for a little while but never fell off . Anyways I went to just make the jump into some ground poles, and Cricket was terrified of them! Once we finally got her to walk over the poles a couple of times I stopped riding because I thought I better end on a good note.
    So a few days pass and I went to ride again, I set up three ground poles and rode over them through out my ride and she was great! So that made me happy. Then on my next ride I set up four ground poles and she was a little hesitant but I rode her around and through them and she was good for the most part. So finally on my next ride I was planning on jumping her. But just to be safe I set up the jump standards and just put a ground pole in between them... and when I went to ride over it she stopped and reared... when I finally got her to go over it with me on her and no one going over it before her, we stoped.
    Now I am very worried that she will never jump again and I am starting to loose confidence in her jumping... I really need some advice, any would be greatly appreciated.
    P.S.- She has never had a problem jumping like this before... Although we have always jumped wooden rails. And she is not young and not just learning how to jump or anything like that. So your advice is greatly appreciated.

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        01-30-2009, 02:47 PM
    I'm really interested to hear everyone's opinion on this, too. My horse did this for a while, but it was when we moved from jumping outside to inside because of the weather. He still does it sometimes, but no where near as bad as he was, and not as bad as you seem to have it right now.

    All I can say is keep her going over them and move slowly, which is what I did/am doing with mine...
        01-30-2009, 02:49 PM
    Thank you so much .. I am glad I am not the only one here that has had this problem
        01-30-2009, 10:11 PM
    Green Broke
    What I would do is first, get some wood poles. They are like really cheap at gardening stores, and the length is 12'. Then get it going really slowly. Just keep at it, and don't let her refuse it, keep constant leg preasure, that is what I would do. IDK if that is right or not, but I guess it couldn't hurt, unless you fall. But I hope you can work this out!
        01-31-2009, 12:49 AM
    Horses= Unending Patience! What my experience tells me, is for you to continue what you are doing, the slow road to low poles, and positive reinforcement...When you are successful at any level of walking over, and over, any reward you use to let them know that was good, can only help to rebuild confidence all around. The very slowly, add a little more to get back to where you left off..
    The problem in front of you, is part you...As I have been down this same road, I remember time and time again, I was more concerned (even afraid?) of giving up, almost did many times......Then nobody wins. For them, a bad experience is one they will often choose not to repeat...Then it is up to you to try with all the patience and time you can muster to show that they Indeed will survive very well the very same situation, even with very simple repeat steps, and your own confidence...Often it is a matter of mentally stepping back from this situation, and looking at it as if it were happening to someone else...It often becomes clearer what you will need to do then

    Best of luck, and TONS of patience to you Lw
        01-31-2009, 08:15 AM
    Thank you guys so much :] I will definitely just work her back into the groove of everything and maybe by show season she will be jumping again... I thank you so much

        02-01-2009, 11:37 PM
    Green Broke
    Just curious, after she stopped at the crossbar... did you ever make her go over it? Or did you hop off and then set up the poles? Whenever a horse stops at a fence I always make them go over it at least once more. Esp a crossbar. A crossbar they can just step over. Or hop over from a stand still. It's understandable a loud noise scared her, but regardless she needs to go over the fence and realize that it's still not going to eat her alive.

    It's hard to tell what's going on because I'm not there to see it... but, and maybe I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that after the initial spook you were a little nervous to it and your body language was unintentionally telling her not to jump. All the things we do when we're nervous to a fence -staring down at it (this is a biggie), getting tense, sitting back right before, etc- basically affirm to your horse that the poles ARE scary and that they either shouldn't or can't jump over it. Why did she stop to the crossbar in the first place? Does she stop regularly? My initial feeling, again could be wrong, is that either you were a little nervous because you hadn't jumped in a while and she felt it or she has stopped before and the poles making a scary noise was just another thing to stop at. Is there a chance I'm right at all or am I just making things up?
    Either way... one of the best things I've ever heard a trainer say about jumping (esp a looky horse) is: "throw your heart over it (the fence), and catch it on the other side". It's basically just fancy way to say "just do it" but I love the sound of it and there have been many times I've had to tell myself, "throw your heart over it!!" This trainer also told me (after my horse did a huge stop) "ride your horse like he's good horse". So your horse stops. Keep going and make him go over it. Don't keep anticipating he's going to stop or he will.

    Generally one scary crossbar does not ruin your horse's jumping career. (esp if he's already trained to jump!) I have a feeling you are going to be just fine! Be bold for your horse, make him do it, and "throw your heart over it and catch it on the other side!"
        02-02-2009, 10:09 AM
    Try ground poles, the maybe lunge her over a small cross rail and then get on and make her do it. Set up a shoot so she can't run out and push push push! Don't worry about making your jump look pretty the first few times just make sure she goes over. Grab mane so you don't jerk her mouth and GO.
        02-03-2009, 02:51 PM
    Originally Posted by starlinestables    
    Try ground poles, the maybe lunge her over a small cross rail and then get on and make her do it. Set up a shoot so she can't run out and push push push! Don't worry about making your jump look pretty the first few times just make sure she goes over. Grab mane so you don't jerk her mouth and GO.
    I second this!

    I'm doing this now with Twende and it's working wonders. He's only refused twice when we begin since we started this, and he's doing really well with it.
        02-03-2009, 03:46 PM
    I do not jump but from what you explained I think your horse may have hit the PVC pole and the sound scared him. Its alot different than wood and maybe it stung more when he clipped it than he had experienced with the wooden poles. In APHA and PtHA they will not let PVC be used for trail obsticles, not sure if its a saftey thing as they roll to easily. They usually use wooden poles for the patterns.

    I would just go slow as others have said. Hope this helps.

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