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    11-09-2010, 01:26 AM
  #1
Foal
Red face Need tips for collecting canter and jumping verticals

Ok I only get to ride my horse-to-be once a week in lessons so I thought I'd go ahead and get as much knowledge from ya'll in addition to my trainers advice. (Forgive me for my ignorance! :) ) Basically I'm just learning how to use body language and seat to cue and drive my horse, and I'm definitely starting to notice a difference when asking for flying lead changes, walk-canter transition, etc.
WELLLL. I graduated from the smaller crossrails and attempted to jump a small vertical (about 2ft on the smallest hole I suppose) at my last lesson, which wasn't pretty because I couldn't get Skipper, who absolutely LOVES jumping, to settle down and collect his canter. He rushed to the jump, took off way too soon, so I panicked and tried to jump for him, and WHAM face meets horses neck LOL
I suppose I need to know how to correctly collect the canter, because although I accomplished it going around the edge of the arena using my legs/seat to drive him higher and not more forward (if that makes any sense lol), I really feel like I was doing it wrong because the reins just felt way too short.
Does anyone have any tips on properly collecting the canter?
Also any tips on jumping verticals or calming down an extremellyyyyy enthusiastic jumper?
     
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    11-10-2010, 06:28 PM
  #2
Trained
Alright so, When I am collecting tess and the canter I restrict with my seat but also drive her forward with my legs (if that makes sence :/) and for jumping a verticle I get a nice bouncy canter going and Tess clears them. But Im not sure about jumping a 2ft verticle. I usually jump 1.25m. Not sure if a 2ft would ahve a different spproach.
Sorry I couldnt help more
     
    11-11-2010, 04:39 PM
  #3
Foal
Hello :)

First off, I am going to ask if you know how to put your horse in a frame? And is your horse just as hyper when you are doing flat work, or only when you begin jumping?

But until you answer back I have some advice to offer.
I would first work on a collected canter on the flat. It is easier to master it without the worry of a jump. So, begin by picking up a regular canter. You need short reins a good feel on his mouth at all times. To collect the canter, you sit deep in your seat, and basically do gas and brake at the same time. Pull but squeeze. The harder you pull, the more you must squeeze to keep him from breaking to the trot. And just play around with it, see how collected you can get him. Then, when you master it on the flat, it will come natural to you when you jump.

Another tip, when you begin jumping, as you approach the crossrail or verticle keep him on a shorter stride and talk to him. If your voice is calm, it with sooth him and hopefully make him a little calmer. This works with some of the horses I ride.

Also, stick to your guns. If you want him to go slow up to that jump, then make him do it. Just because he wants to get fast, does not mean he can. If he pulls to get faster, you pull to go slower. If he is calm until the approach, try a halt, and back up a few steps to get him listening. Make sure to do this at least 6 strides away from the jump. You do not want to halt too close or it can teach them to refuse.

Hope that helps!
     
    11-11-2010, 05:43 PM
  #4
Foal
No I don't know how to put him in a frame. Could you explain that too? Haha

And he is only hyper when he knows jumping is what we're doing. His demeanor is completely different, I suppose it's good that he's enthusiastic though lol.

The only thing is, the arena I ride in is pretty small and I have to turn and can only get (at this point without a collected canter) at best 7 strides before the jump. So when I try to slow him down, he breaks into the trot for a couple strides then rushes to canter right before taking off.

I'm definitely going to take your advice and perfect the collected canter on the flat first. Thanks for the help, both of you!
     
    11-11-2010, 06:19 PM
  #5
Foal
A frame is when a horse rounds his neck down.
I'll show you some pictures so you know what I mean


This ^is an example of a horse NOT in a frame. Her head is up.



This ^ is an example of a horse in a frame. His neck is not straight in the air, and he has a slight curve down at the top of the neck, and his head is slightly tucked. There are several degrees of a frame, this horse is in a pretty loose frame, his head is tucked down, but not severely. If you look at dressage pictures, they usually have a tight frame. (Sorry for the old pic haha, I couldnt find one of me on the flat unless it was years ago.)

But anyways. Now that you know what a "frame" is, I can give you a run down how to do it. I will warn you, if your horse is not used to being put in a frame, he may try to resist it and it will take some muscle. It does not hurt him, it's just more work for him and it makes him use more muscle. When a horse is in a frame, they are more responsive, more balanced, and in turn, they are usually easier to steer and control, and often when they are in a frame they are comfier.

To put your horse in a frame. The correct way is to evenly pull back on the reins (this takes a lot of leg, if you do not leg enough, they will break) and if they do not respond wiggle your fingers a bit, this will wiggle the bit in their mouth, which they will usually give in a drop their head down. With a horse that is not used to it, sometimes I have to resort to the "left-right method". Instead of wiggling my fingers back and forth and I have to pull left reign- right rain, and their head will go back and forth (sea-saw) and they will drop it down. I only like to use this method if a horse is not responding to the other way. Once the horse drops his head, stop the left-right and keep continuous pressure on the bit so his head stays down.

Learning to put a horse in a frame usually takes some practice, and muscle. So if you don't get it the first time, keep trying. Also, ask your trainer how to, and he/she will be able to help you out.

If any of what I said wasn't clear, or you don't understand, feel free to ask any questions!

P.S. You have to carry some impulsion (energy) when you are trying to frame. If your horse is slow and sleepy, it makes it more difficult.
     
    11-11-2010, 10:39 PM
  #6
Foal
Ah! That! Haha yes, he usually tucks his neck in on his own unless he's being lazy and resisting so I wiggle the reins a little and he goes back to a pretty headset. Lol sorry I don't know the technical names for everything, but yeah he's alwyas much easier to ride when in "frame". I'm going to take your advice and try to get some video at my lesson on Sunday. Wish me luck!
     
    11-11-2010, 11:40 PM
  #7
Foal
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Originally Posted by Meagan    
Ah! That! Haha yes, he usually tucks his neck in on his own unless he's being lazy and resisting so I wiggle the reins a little and he goes back to a pretty headset. Lol sorry I don't know the technical names for everything, but yeah he's alwyas much easier to ride when in "frame". I'm going to take your advice and try to get some video at my lesson on Sunday. Wish me luck!
Good luck :) Post it up so I can see what he is like. Then maybe I can help you a little more if you have any questions!
     
    11-11-2010, 11:46 PM
  #8
Trained


This is a picture of a horse with a "headset" - but not a horse who is "collected"

There are 2 big differences in these terms.
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    11-12-2010, 09:10 AM
  #9
Trained
Please explain MIE. I see a horse that is not collected, but moving nicely and tracking up - that's not what I would call a "headset"...
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    11-12-2010, 12:11 PM
  #10
Yearling
Isnt a headset just placing your horse’s head at a certain level and position. And collection is having a horse in a rounded frame and moving off the hind end?
Can you have one without the other?
     

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