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post #11 of 19 Old 08-12-2009, 07:30 AM
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try grids without reins then you cant interfere with your horse
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post #12 of 19 Old 08-12-2009, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MIEventer View Post
Let me share my experience, with hopes that it'll help you out.

I was schooling on the CC course last summer, a few days before our HT. I was schooling over the dreaded Trak fence - I hate those fences and I don't know why. Anyways, for some reason whenever I approaching a Trak, I stare at the stupid gap between the fence and the ditch and that flubs up everything.

So we trotted over the fence a few times and it went well, but for some reason as we approached the fence at the canter, my stupid eyes went right back to the gap and I blankly stared at it. So instead of us jumping over the center of the fence, I dropped my shoulders and then he proceeded to take off a stride to early, and jumped at this odd angle.

strait and to the right. So, if the red flag was up on the fence, we would of taken it out. It was so awkward, I was lobbed out of the tack in an odd way, leaving me to land on my right foot with my left still in the iron, and stuck - which resulted in me being dragged slightly.

Soooo yeah. Anyways, during this episode, a friend saw it all and decided to step in to help. He is an old Fox Hunter, been in the saddle all his life and can sure ride. He asked me "Do you trust Nelson?" I said "of course I do" and he responded "If you did then you wouldn't be interfearing with his job by looking at the fence."

I stopped and thought about it for a minute and he went on to say "If you don't trust your horse, how is your horse supposed to trust you? The moment you look at that fence and interfear with your horse, you are telling them *I don't trust you to do your job, I don't trust you to find the distance* so redo that fence, don't look down and proove to Nelson that you trust him to get you over that fence safely"

So - apply that to you. Every single time you interfear with your horses job, you are telling him "I don't trust you to find the distance" "I don't trust you to do your job"

So - I'll tell you what my friend told me, which got me over that fence without looking at it:

"If you trust your horse, the results will be positive. Now get your ass over that fence and proove to Nelson that you trust him"
i loved your post for a variety of reasons, many not even pertaining to the original rant, though I sympathise and understand, but because the greatest break through does come from learning to trust the horse. I remeber being a small child, like five or six, and having had an equestrian mother, had ,many expereinces with horses, including lessons, but I was scarred to death of the trail. I kept thinking my horse was going to walk off the edge. Finally one day my mother realized my hesitation and explained to me that the horse was very aware of the grand canyon size ravine next to him (at least in my five year old opinion) and had no more intention than I did of falling in it, and from that day forward I trusted the horse. It clicked! My next revelation was at 19 battling with my first three year old horse I broke, and almost fed up with frustration! I was mid spring (the vernal equinox actually, coincidence? depends who you ask) and I just decided to get on her in the turnout with nothing on. This wasn't a small turnout and this horse had scarred me more than once with her antics! Guess what she did? Nothing! From that point we started to trust each other. I don't know how my situations actually pertain to the OP, but I wanted to stress the importance of MI's post, in learning to really trust your horse.

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post #13 of 19 Old 08-12-2009, 10:38 PM
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My best teaching tool was arms out to the side and eyes closed. It really tests your trust with your horse. I only ever jumped 2-2.5 ft at the most, but when learning to jump my trainer had us all (group lessons) go over everything from trotting poles to small 1/2-1ft jumps, with our reins on the neck and our hands out to our sides and sitting 2point.

Also I was taught to ignore the jump. Set your line and then look past the jump, once your inline for it let the horse take the lead and just feel him go for it.

I loved to jump, but it's been years for me. We used to also jump on our trail rides when I was taking lessons, over down trees and such. And like others have said you just have to trust your horse.. let him take you over, you just look past the jump. I remember being in my group class and us all on our horses watching each other jump over this huge tree that had fallen down in the normal path. I couldn't even tell you how high it was, all I know is we were all afraid of it, so it was bigger than our normal jumping height. And we just kept taking the jump, even with a few spills. Our trainer was definantly one for getting right back on and doing it again if you fell off.

I would get so frustrated with my self because I had a horse flat out refuse a jump due to my lack of trust and right over his head I went in to the jump, I was confusing him and he let me know! lol

It took alot for me to look past the jump, and that may be what will help you to get past your issues.

Can't wait to hear the post about how happy you are with your jumping, in the future. Good Luck!!
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post #14 of 19 Old 08-12-2009, 10:45 PM Thread Starter
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Well the lesson today went pretty well. He was energized (he gets a few days off after shows) so it was easy to get the big uphill canter he does best in.

Unfortunately I was wearing spurs (hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, HATE spurs) so I was more focused on not jabbing him then anything else, but it still worked out okay. several looong spots, but that's better then splatting
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Im glad it has improved for you! Keep working on it and good luck.

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post #16 of 19 Old 08-13-2009, 04:54 PM
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I think that we all have problems with this at sometime or another. Before i went away on vacation this summer, i felt like i was in the same rut. When i came back i was nervous to jump - fearing that the same problem would start again. I honestly never get nervous and if you had asked me before i went away if i was nervous i would say no. I think that i was nervous about disappointing myself and having the same sinking feeling in my stomach from frustration and disappointment. Thankfully the last few lessons i have had since i came back have been really good. My eye has been on and im feeling more confident.

Sooo...what can you take from everyones post? I think that it all boils down to just cantering with rhythm. Canter to the jump and ignore it, focusing on a positive canter. When your horse jumps, you jump. Ignore the distances for a little while. Instead, focus on your position and rhythm. Can you stay with your horse from the long distance? Can you stay with him from the short distance? Eventually it will work out. I know its hard but try to IGNORE the distance. Just jump.

When you are on the ground, watch other people jump. Think in your head and try to decide what you would do if you were the rider. Would you find the same distance as they would?

I hope i help a little, but i definitely know what you are feeling!
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Great advice Juju!

I can stay with him over the long distance, because if he takes it long it means I'm asking and have my legs supporting him. The short distance, I get flustered, drop my eye and drop my leg support.

I will definately work on just letting the jumps "happen"
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post #18 of 19 Old 08-13-2009, 06:03 PM
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yeah your trying way 2 hard! how high do u jump? anyways my horse is only 15.1 and dont get me wrong we dont jump really high just 1ft 1/2 and 2ft.... you have 2 let your horse do the work on the striding i had the exact same problem i always felt he was going 2 fast under me but the truth is he needs the power 2 get over the jump easily..... so dont pull back go forward and i know you will clear those jumps easily your horse is HUGE compared 2 mine but again let him work on striding and you need 2 work on form and what not!!!!! =)
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post #19 of 19 Old 08-13-2009, 10:01 PM
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I have the same problem. When the distance is long then i am fine and stay with the horse. If the distance is short i lean up the necjk, heal goes back and is UGLY! Just practicing feeling the motion helps. It also helps if i just think HEELS! When i focus on them the jump comes and my position feels better over the jump. Might help you out...
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