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  • Proper equitation over fences

 
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    07-03-2009, 05:16 AM
  #11
Weanling
I also thing the discipline that you compete in effects how "Pretty" you try to ride.... obviously those in equitation classes will be more focussed on doing things more correct - whereas cross country you do what you have to do to get both you and your horse around quickly, effectively and SAFELY....

You say that NZ riders focus on form and functuality more than prettiness.... yeah that would probably be correct - but you look at the biggest equestrian sports over here and eventing and Showjumping would hit the top of the lists without a doubt....and that's probably why

I do alot of showhunter which is completely different from what you know as showhunter - primarily focussed only on the horse form over jumps - in fact the rider can have shocking habits as long as it doesnt interfere with the horse jump and rhythm (No flat classes or anything in our SH)... but some shows also have an equitation class over jumps which focusses on the rider only.... these classes you find you may have 7 or 8 entries versus the 30 odd entries for a hack hunter showhunter style class...

I would prefer to have a happy comfortable horse than Looking pretty.... but in saying that the two should go hand in hand.... I have seen some pretty riders but when they need to be they just aint effective.... so yeah I think theres a happy medium between the 2

What one person considers pretty is not everyones definition either....
     
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    07-03-2009, 06:54 AM
  #12
Yearling
Surely how you ride depends on the horse you're riding.

Speaking from experiance when I'm jumping I do what I must to get the horse over the fence, sometimes I have to ' hold the horse between seat and hands ' and other times all I have to do is get the horse to the fence and the horse will do the rest. On the odd occasion I have a horse that I can ride ' properly ' just as on the odd occasion I have one that I hang onto for grim death.

My main focus is to try and not make the experiance bad one for the horse as this will make it more difficult the next time I jump him or her, the way I do this is by adapting my riding to the horse.

Not all horses are trained by the same people, the same way, and no two horses are alike, so how could I possible ride them all with the same style.

Big Beaugar - this horse was a bit of a tank over his fences and would hav run off with me so I had to hold him on a tight rein or I would have been in heaps of trouble on landing.
BigBeaugar 040.jpg

Dajka - again enthuiastic but this horse needed me to make sure I got him between the wings or he would have run out - concentration on steering as he never refused
Dajka 16June08 028.jpg

Galiba - A bit lazy , When jumping he seemed to have no impulsion but he never refused or ran out , so I was able to concentrate on trying to train him to jump properly, here jumping 3' and looking like he's making a meal of it.
Galiba (102).jpg

I also had a horse that was so good that she would have taken a complete novice over 1.2m all by herself, with no problems even if the rider knew nothing at all.
     
    07-03-2009, 06:59 AM
  #13
Weanling
So true nutty saddler :)
     
    07-03-2009, 09:03 AM
  #14
Trained
Thank you so much Jody and Nutty! I really appreciate your input, knowledge and experiences! What you say makes so much sense to me, and Nutty you look fabulous regardless of what horse you are riding -

I was always taught that in order for your horse to do his job correctly, you must be spot on in form. Like, for example - if you loose your lower leg, then you aren't aiding your horse to remain round and up into your aids. If your upper body is forward, then your bodies weight is on your horses forehand, if you carry your hands low, your horse is not being lifted up off of their forehand - etc, etc, etc.....

What are your thoughts on this?

I am understand that you must learn to conform to the horse, 100% agree with this. What do you think about low level riders who are green, and starting to jump - do you think they need to be made to focus on being correct in equitation before they go over fences, or need to focus on solidity before they go over fences *solidity meaning solid seat, behind the horse, leave the horse alone, get the horse to the base of the fence correctly...more technical, than perching*
     
    07-03-2009, 09:16 AM
  #15
Trained
I just wanted to add, that I've lost the joy of jumping because I have taken it far too seriously - "ugh, I lost my lower leg" or "I jumped ahead" or "I dropped my shoulders" - instead of focusing more on getting my horse to the base in a rhythmical pace, while working with him and leaving him alone - and just having fun.

Nelson can definitely jump with or without a rider. He is very talented and very trustworthy. He never refuses a fence, and he says "either you're coming with me or I'm leaving you behind" - I should be enjoying that, but I feel that if I stop focusing so much on my equitation, I'm going to interfear with his job.

Does that make sense?
     
    07-03-2009, 09:53 AM
  #16
Green Broke
If you arn't over the center of the saddle, but infront of it like I was a coupple of months ago, your horse will naturally(mine at least) go onto the forehand. I have to keep her back and coming from behind because she just doesn't want to do it.
     
    07-03-2009, 09:55 AM
  #17
Yearling
I would think that learning to ride is sort of like learning to drive

You learn properly and when you have a good grasp of what you're doing you're allowed to progress onto something with more capabilities

If everyone learnt to drive in a ferrari there would be an awful lot of crashes, same with horses

I remember when I went from a riding school horse to a horse that evented.

KC the schoolmaster was foot perfect and taught me a lot, I also rode quite a few that were school-tired.
I then got on a horse called Bianca that had evented, well you can imagine what happened when I put her at a fence and smacked her shoulder on approach like I had been taught NASA here we come.
Was quite an experiance, but I got to know to find out what my mount could do before I started to ride it as normal, in other words to learn to ride the horse I was asked to ride.
     
    07-03-2009, 10:22 AM
  #18
Weanling
Honestly, there is a girl that I ride with that no matter what horse she is on and how the jump ends up, she looks exactly the same. Personally, I don't think that's good riding. Having the same posture and approaching every fence the same isn't safe nor helpful to the horse at all. If a horse takes a rough jump and you sit there just like every other time, the horse isn't going to have the support he needs, I feel. It just looks unprofessional to me - The horse is having difficulty and the rider just sits there trying to look pretty.

Plus, every horse needs little adjustments from the next one - They're all different. It really makes me mad watching this girl ride - Sure she looks nice, but it's in no way helpful or correct.
     
    07-03-2009, 10:41 AM
  #19
Yearling
Stormy - it's fine to learn how to ride one horse properly, but you can't assume that every horse has the same rules.

If you rode my mare ( Ingrid ) and wern't slightly on the forehand you would be in a world of trouble.

The grey in the second picture Dajka was a fantastic ride from my perspective , quick / agile / balanced -a real pocket-rocket, he was far from perfect though as someone came to try him out and they lasted 30 seconds - and I am not jocking, they got one and a half circuits round the school and he said he'd had enough and promptly dumped them on the floor
     
    07-03-2009, 10:42 AM
  #20
Green Broke
^I agree, you have to look pretty with the horse, IMO, that means that you ride the horse and if you do the jump together and it feels good, it looks pretty. Makes no sense
     

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