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    04-14-2011, 07:47 AM

Sorry if its a dumb question, but... Is overjumping controllable at all? Or it'll depend on horse solely (and its experience)?
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    04-14-2011, 08:00 AM
Overjumping by the horse or by the rider?

I'm going to assume you're asking about by the horse -

Overjumping is usually caused by greeness, a young horse being extra careful and giving their fences a lot of room to spare. Really, in a green horse, it's almost a good thing - treating their fences with a lot of respect makes for a careful jumper. Time and experience usually take care of it. Liking a long distance and leaving from a long spot can contribute to the overjumping. So a rider that can establish good pace and balance and find the correct distance will mitigate a lot of the tendency to overjump.

This is one of the many reasons that "green on green" is asking for trouble. Take an inexperienced horse that tends to overjump, put on a green rider that can't establish pace and balance or see a distance, and you have a horse galloping down to a fence on its forehand, leaving very long and jumping its rider right out of the tack.

Besides time and experience, carefully constructed grids and gymnastics will teach the horse to jump in an appropriate arc; if they overjump one element, their too large arc will put them in wrong to subsequent elements. This needs to be done carefully so the horse doesn't get discouraged.
    04-14-2011, 08:12 AM
Thank you, maura! Yes, I was talking about the horse. And what do you mean be "rider overjumping"?

I was wondering because I and my saddle fitter were trying jumping saddles on my paint other day and she asked me to jump tiny (10" on best, just couple rails positioned on dairy boxes) cross rails to see how the one she liked the most fits and how horse moves in jump. Not the safest idea as both of us (I mean me and my horse) are perfect example of "very green on very green" (and my fitter is long time eventer BTW). It did feel way too high for me and ended up she did something like 2 ft. I wonder how "green-green" combination will go (with the trainer's help of course).
    04-14-2011, 09:16 AM
A lot of people refer to a rider jumping ahead as over jumping as well.
    04-14-2011, 10:07 AM
Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
a lot of people refer to a rider jumping ahead as over jumping as well.
Oh, I see. I know the "left behind" term, but not this one. :)
    04-15-2011, 08:52 PM
Green Broke
I seem to have the same problem with my 17 year old, however at just a hair short of 17 hands, jumping what I would call appropriately would probably be hard for his long legs! I am green too so this could be an adventure, though I consider myself pretty good at rating to the fence, its the up and over that gets me in trouble!
    04-16-2011, 03:11 PM

If you find that your horse overjumps don't be too frightened. It is important that you not interfer with his jump by:
A) falling on his back or
B) pulling on his mouth.

Indeed young horses and green horses often over jump even the smallest fences and rails on the ground. Likewise experienced horses that have been frightened or over faced, also over jump out of fear. These ones (the frightened ones) are the most difficult to 'cure'.

A green horse, as Maura says, will usually correct itself will consistent thoughtfull training exercises. My favourite excercise to correct a horse from over jumping is having a placing pole approximately 9 feet on the take off side and on the landing side of a small cross rail jump. This way the horse steps over the placing pole and is in the correct spot to take off for the jump.

This placing pole or ground rail will help get the young or inexperienced horse to the correct take off spot of the jump and will also help define the correct landing side to the fence. It will result in the arc over the jump to be equal on each side so the horses maximum height is over the center of the jump and not beyond the jump standards.

If you have a small horse or pony the distance may be shorter and likewise is if your horse has a big stride then the 9 foot distance may be lengthened to suit your horse. Nine Feet is just an approximate guide.

It is important to have an experienced person with you or your riding coach or instructor to help you while you do this.

What are you favorite exercises to help a horse that over jumps?
    04-17-2011, 02:46 AM
I was going to suggest a ground pole in front of the jump too, but ThistleRidge covered this already.

KV, over jumping of the rider, is when they try to jump for the horse and get ahead of the pommel.

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