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    09-23-2009, 05:46 AM
  #1
Foal
Question powerful and overexcited

hey , My new horse is getting fitter and starting to enjoy his jumping(abit too much) In the school or at a show he seems fine and listens to me, however when jumping in the open field at home, he gets over excited starts doing mini rears and boncing towards the fence in result, knocking it down as he runs flat.
i need him to listen to me, he's in a waterford bit flash noseband, I've tried the dutch gag and a just a plain snaffle but nothing seems to work, he's fine on the flat just when he gets his eye on a fence he's ears go forward and head up high and then he wants to go to the fence now and as fast as he can. Im doing what I can like grid work, trotting poles , more flat work etc but I thought about maybe getting a grackle noseband ? Would that help? Sometimes after a fence I feel I have no control , maybe he's crossing his jaw? I think he just simply gets over excited and forgets what he's doing.
Any help would be fab , got some shows coming up and id like to go round steady and clear.
thanks guys
roxy
     
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    09-23-2009, 06:39 AM
  #2
Banned
What I would do is if he runs towards a fence turn him around out so he understands that is he goes to fast he does not get to jump and repeat until he slows down and you have control. How high of jumps are you doing? I would do no more that 2' crossrails so he does not hurt him slef while he is feelin ready and good to go! Good luck. This is what my retired olympian trainer told me and my Top 5 at world told me when I got a new horse! You also might want to shorten up your reins and bend your elbow a little bit more because that will gain my control on him mouth but as long as you have a lil bit of bend in your elbow you should be fine and good luck!


All the best
Haley-Ann
     
    09-23-2009, 09:10 PM
  #3
Weanling
I agree with the above poster, when he gets going circle him. Make him slow down. Changing the bit or noseband isnt going to do anything, you need to teach him to listen. Another thing you could do is put trot poles down in front of the jumps to make him watch where his feet are going (after you have him listening to you)
     
    09-24-2009, 09:39 AM
  #4
Weanling
Try lots and lots of circles with him! Make sure on the way to the jump you think stay back, stay back, stay back, and take a feel on his mouth, make sure you keep your elbows bent and don't let him drag you forward and run.
     
    09-24-2009, 09:52 AM
  #5
Yearling
I Agree With All The Above!
I Know How You Feel! I Bought A Lovely Quite Thoroughbred In Awful Condition! As Soon As He Was Fattened Up And Conditioned And Fittened He Looked Good And He Knewed It! Showed Off The Whole Time Pulling And Prancing. Except With Oscar If He Would Get Hyper Going In2 A Jump He'd Listen And Collect His Canter With Loads Of Impulsion Lyk A Rubber Ball Then The Last 3 Strides He'd Go For The Jump And Over Jump It By Loads.
     
    09-24-2009, 03:26 PM
  #6
Foal
Yup everyone seems to be right with this one. Make sure you sit deep in the saddle and put as much weight down as you can to help slow him and constant half halts...along with the circle till he calms down and then reward him. Once he's calm enough try the jump and if he's good let him know he did a good job!

I had this problem with my appy doing cross country...he'd just get so excited he'd grab ahold of the bit and I was just along for the ride..LoL..but you can fix this!! Just keep trying and he'll get it..trust me!
     
    09-24-2009, 07:54 PM
  #7
Trained
This is just a copy and paste of my resonse offered in yet another "too strong" thread.

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If you give your horse something to lean into, he will take it 100% of the time. Especially OTTB's.

That is why you must learn to ride, SEAT into LEGS into HANDS to SOFTEN

Right now, I guarantee you are riding all hands, face first and totally leaving your seat out of the picture. You cannot do this, regardless if you are doing Dressage or Jumping.

Forget your horses face, and focus on his hind end. Forget your horses face, and focus on getting him off of his forehand. Forget his face and focus on rounding him up into your aids and establishing a rhythm - how do you do this?

Dressage, Dressage, Dressage, Dressage.

Let me tell you my experience.

When I first started riding my now OTTB Nelson - he was great out on the trails, great in the Dressage Ring, but when it came to jumping, he was super powerful, very strong and extremely forward.

I remember jumping a small CC fence with him, and by the time I got him back down and under control, we were already clear over on the other side of the CC field. Rediculous.

So, at that time, Dorothy Crowell was coming to my barn for our Local Pony Club to give a Clinic *Dorothy is a CIC**** and CCI**** Eventer, who has represented the U.S.A in the Olympics* so I signed up to ride in her clinic because I wanted and needed help with Nelson's power over fences.

She set up a grid, 3 jumps * I cannot quite recall the striding now * but the first fence was an x rail I believe, to a 3 or 4 stride, to an Oxer, to a 4 or 5 stride and to a verticle.

Nelson and I approached the first fence quiet and at a nice rhythmic pace. The moment he landed from that first fence, he took off. That 3 or 4 stride became a 2 or 3 stride and the 4 or 5 stride became a 3 or 4 stride. I remember I was standing in my irons pulling on his face.

She stopped us and pulled us aside. The first thing she told me was "you give your horse something to lean into, he'll take it" and that is exactly what Nelson did. I pulled on the reins, he said "thank you!" took it and leant into it and was gone.

She taught me Seat Into Legs Into Hands To Soften.

Your seat controls your horses hind end. You establish a rhythm with your seat. You establish impulsion with your seat - you activate that hind end with your seat.

You tense your seat - your horse becomes tense. You relax your seat, your horse relaxes. You slow your seat, your horse slows down to you. You quicken your seat, your horse quickens.

It comes from your seat. You must learn to ride on all 3 points *two seat bones, and crotch*

Remain over his center of gravity. Do not lean forward, do not lean back - remain over his center.

The moment you get what you are asking for from your seat, you activate your legs. Your legs continue that rhythm you've created through your seat, and your legs lift the horses ribs/spine up into your seat.

Your hands come into play lastly. Your outside rein must be there to allow that energy to recyle. You do not want that energy to gush out your horses front end. But they are soft, supple and must be giving at all times.

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I was shown this by Dorothy and I immediately had a different horse.

She had me approach the first fence, when I was a stride away, she had me release my arms, sit and close my legs. The moment we landed I had to sit back down, slow my seat down, close my legs and put him in check. Then a stride away, I released my arms and gave him his face.

If he tried to speed up at all, I was to make him to exercises - whether it be figure 8's or serpentines or circles, I had to work on slowing my seat down, lifting his ribs and bring him back down under me.

Then we would repeat the fences.

I can now ride my TB over any course with a rubber snaffle if I chose. My horse comes down to me at all times.

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Do you have a coach? You are better off having this shown to you in person, 1 on 1.

Bits wont fix anything - they mute the real problem.
     
    09-24-2009, 08:05 PM
  #8
Started
^ Everything MIE said. Also. I find that what helps a lot is kind of surprising your horse with the jump. Circle around the jump for a bit, than on one of the circles turn in and hop over the jump, than straight back to circling. Did that make sense? Obviously you need to be far enough away for your horse to jump correctly, but the circling seems to really help. The horse doesn't have time to get excited before he reaches the jump.
     
    09-24-2009, 08:08 PM
  #9
Green Broke
As MIEventer said you have to use your seat. Too many showjumpers canter around in a two point position and they have no driving force, control etc.

Put your heals down and sit back. Just moving through the bits is ignoring the problem - if he is fine in his normal bit most of the time then its not like he has a hard mouth. He is just ignoring you. I wouldn't ever progress past a snaffle and nose band for control - don't move up into the gags.

I would set up a small cross rail and practice trotting over it on a loose rein. When my previous OTTB used to get all strong and rushy jumping I would trot around with no contact and then jump a small cross rail. At first the horse may stumble a little because he is used to you holding him up. He needs to stop relying on your arms. At first my TB would canter of madly but then I would circle him with an open rein and barely any contact. This means he cannot lean on you around the circle. As soon as he came back to me I would let him go straight, transition back to the walk, ask for a trot and jump the little cross rail again. This helped a fair bit, because out on the XC course this horse could get unstoppable. He would just put his head down and run, and although hauling on the reins seems like the best thing to do generally you regain control quicker if you give away your contact. If you must stop the best thing to do is circle in.

Work on doing grids without contact (small grids). Start just with poles and focus on using your seat. Sit back and whenever he runs half halt, and if he doesn;t slow circle in until he does.

You mentioned you could be over jumping. Don't do that. My instructor used to say that for every one hour of jump training you do you have to do five hours of flatwork/dressage. I have always roughly kept to that.

Just think about so many of the TB - and other breeds - you see at PC and events. They are constantly leaning on the rider. The only way to stop leaning is to not allow them to - a horse cannot lean with no contact.
     
    09-25-2009, 10:31 AM
  #10
Yearling
Wow Well Said MIE
     

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