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    04-30-2012, 01:26 PM
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Yearling
Question Quick Question regarding jumping position

Me and my horses have started learning to jump/refreshing skills for shows this summer.

My question is, as I search for tips, images, videos etc. for study I see two different jumping positions different sites.places say are the correct way.

First one is the heels and hips line up like this picture


Second is that your calf moves forward and you jump in more of a chair seat position.
http://www.artofriding.com/images/jump2.gif



Thanks!

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    04-30-2012, 02:30 PM
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Calf moving forward and into chair seat is incorrect, but that's not what I get from that diagram.

I get that you stretch down into your heel so your ankle can act as a shock absorber, not that you're pushing the leg forward.

Check out any of George Morris's books, Gordon Wright's Learning to Ride, Hunt and Show for good references on jumping position.

You can also go the Practical Horseman website, and check out George Morris's monthly column on jumping. Reading a half dozen of his monthly columns will give you a good working knowledge of functional jumping position.
     
    05-02-2012, 11:45 PM
  #3
Yearling
Ok, awesome
Thank you Ill check him out!
     
    05-03-2012, 07:45 AM
  #4
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I couldn't see the photo previously; I am on a different internet connection now and can.

It's not the best example to use to explain the body mechanics of jump position.
Please don't get me wrong, she's an able, athletic and talented rider, but not an exemplar of equitation. (Neither am I, and I would be happy to post a detailed critique of my avatar photo or any my competition photos.)

First of all, she is pinching/pivoting on her knee and her lower leg has swung too far back. I think the easiest way to understand what's correct is that your stirrup leather should be perpendicular to the ground, or *vertical* if you're jumping up or down hill.
If you draw a perpendicular line to the ground in the photo, you can see her leg is back about 15 degrees. This has caused her upper body to tip forward a corresponding amount - she's too far forward/too close to the neck for this size fence. You could also describe it as hip angle being too closed, but that's harder to understand for most people.

If you mentally adjust her position by moving the lower leg forward towards the girth, and picking her upper body up, the hip heel alignment will fall into place.
Her leg position problems stem from gripping with the back of her calf, rather than the flat of her calf, it's also caused her toe to pivot out past the ideal maximum of 45 degrees.

Here’s a photo that I consider a better example

     
    05-03-2012, 01:13 PM
  #5
Yearling
That all makes perfect sense thank you!
I remember someone saying that in jumping position your leg should look like if you horse disappeared and you dropped right now you would land flat on her feet?
     
    05-03-2012, 10:34 PM
  #6
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That would be me that said that.

Of course, it's not original with me, and I forget what famous professional said it first.

But yes, using that analogy, I think you can see that the first rider would overbalance and tip forward, and that in the other photo, it looks more likely that the rider would land balanced over her feet.
     
    05-04-2012, 11:57 AM
  #7
Weanling
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Originally Posted by maura    

Here’s a photo that I consider a better example

WOAH. Where did you get that picture? I only ask because that's definitely my trainer
     
    05-04-2012, 04:50 PM
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I did a Google image search on Medal Maclay winners.

The site where this photo is hosted is

The Detroit Equestrian Club | (313) 341-RIDE; the photo was part of a sale ad for the horse, "Forever". It did not identify the rider by name; Google found it because the horse is advertised as "The perfect Medal/Maclay/U.S.E.T. Horse"
     
    05-05-2012, 06:42 PM
  #9
Weanling
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Originally Posted by maura    
I did a Google image search on Medal Maclay winners.

The site where this photo is hosted is

The Detroit Equestrian Club | (313) 341-RIDE; the photo was part of a sale ad for the horse, "Forever". It did not identify the rider by name; Google found it because the horse is advertised as "The perfect Medal/Maclay/U.S.E.T. Horse"
That's so cool! Yeah, my trainer showed Forever back in like, 2005. I know she showed at least one other horse on that site, too.

It just surprised me 'cause I'm so used to seeing this picture:


Anyways. Carry on. Sorry for sidetracking the thread :)
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