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post #1 of 22 Old 10-31-2012, 06:18 PM Thread Starter
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With this bit(plain snaffle 3 ring elevator) would you say this is enough of a release?
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post #2 of 22 Old 10-31-2012, 11:22 PM
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No. To me it doesn't look as if there is any release going on there at all,
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post #3 of 22 Old 10-31-2012, 11:30 PM
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There's little/no pressure on that horses mouth, so although there isn't a release that's visible, there is also no pull.
Depending on what the rider does with their hands when they land, I think it's fine.
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This may sound insane but...isn't a 3-ring "snaffle" with the reins attached to the lower ring now no longer technically a snaffle but a leverage bit? Sorry, not relevant to the question I know (NO snarkiness intended, OP!!) but I've wondered about this before, and upon seeing the photo I thought it'd be good education for OP and myself if in fact my "assumption" is correct (& JUST EDUCATION for ME --Doh!-- if I've misunderstood that issue!). ;0)
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I believe it would work in the same way as a leverage bit.
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But I don't see a curb chain? So where is the leverage going?
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A 3 ring dutch gag is not a snaffle at all regardess of curbs.
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Another name for it is an 'elevator' bit in north America (although without the curb chain, Im unsure somewhat) however in Europe and Australasia we call it a gag, 3 ring gag, dutch gag, but the term 'Dutch gag' is also used for a bit that runs with two reins but has the same effect. Without the curb chain the bit pictured works more on poll pressure.....
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There's little/no pressure on that horses mouth, so although there isn't a release that's visible, there is also no pull.
Depending on what the rider does with their hands when they land, I think it's fine.
Even with that bit? In my opinion with a leverage bit the shanks shouldn't be pulled back at all, especially over a jump.
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This may sound insane but...isn't a 3-ring "snaffle" with the reins attached to the lower ring now no longer technically a snaffle but a leverage bit? Sorry, not relevant to the question I know (NO snarkiness intended, OP!!) but I've wondered about this before, and upon seeing the photo I thought it'd be good education for OP and myself if in fact my "assumption" is correct (& JUST EDUCATION for ME --Doh!-- if I've misunderstood that issue!). ;0)
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Sorry, by plain snaffle I meant smooth snaffle, I know it is a leverage bit.

This is a pic taken right after the above pic, the pic about is in the center of the jump and this is just before landing.


And this is the same round, this is typical.
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Ok, I was always taught the a leverage bit shouldnt be horizontal to the ground during use.....that was from a reining trainer, so shanks shod not always be held horizontal to the ground, its going to happen, but not consistantly....
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