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        06-11-2009, 07:07 PM
      #1
    Green Broke
    Round after jumps?

    Hey

    I'm going in a show soon and I was wondering if I should have Sheena go round before and after each jump?? TIA


    VanillaBean..
         
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        06-11-2009, 07:38 PM
      #2
    Started
    Hunter, jumper or jumpers?
         
        06-11-2009, 07:52 PM
      #3
    Trained
    Your horse should always be light on their forehand, on their hind end and up into your aids.

    Jumping is dressage with speed bumps.
         
        06-11-2009, 11:11 PM
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    Green Broke
    Depends on what you're riding and what you mean by "round". If you're a hunter and you mean on the bit and round like a dressage horse would, I'd say no! You want your horse light on his forehand, using his hind well, but allowing him to go forward and use his body to go over the fence. Hunters need to go more long and low.
         
        06-11-2009, 11:26 PM
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    Trained
    Ooooh! I did not know Hunter horses are to be more long and low.
         
        06-12-2009, 05:08 AM
      #6
    Yearling
    Not sure what you mean by "round" in hunters (not jumpers) you want the horse to be moving in a very natural but controlled gate with long strides and with a very natural head carriage, you would not want to see any obvious change in the horses way of going just before and after a jump as far as I know, watch some youtubes of successful hunters at he big shows it will help you visualize it.
         
        06-12-2009, 05:11 AM
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    Yearling

    This horse has a nice way of going though a little slow for my taste, but wow can't believe they were asking $90,000??????? Huh?
         
        06-12-2009, 06:08 AM
      #8
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MIEventer    
    Your horse should always be light on their forehand, on their hind end and up into your aids.

    Jumping is dressage with speed bumps.

    MIEventer, I completely agree, and so does my coach- he is ALWAYS telling me that, and people now keep asking me whether my showjumper is a dressage horse when we compete =P
    VanillaBean, you horse doesnt HAVE to be round, you won't get eliminated- but it makes things so much easier (for you and especially your horse) if your horse is round. Take it from the person whose horse used to ALWAYS be on his forehand- trust me, it went horribly wrong. I spent a year doing flatwork with him, teaching him how to use his hind before I could do a decent showjumping course with him. If your horse is round, it can jump fences if the stride doesn't quite work out right. If he's not round, nah-ahh, you've got an issue if the stride doesnt work out. Keeping them round also sets them up for higher classes, in which, unless they're Pegasus and have wings, they'll have to be round.
         
        06-12-2009, 06:59 AM
      #9
    Yearling
    Great post alex,

    Here is some info borrowed from another site that I think explains it well, as MIE says dressage comes into play with everything we do (hopefully) including jumping.:

    Roundness comes from strong, supple muscles - especially the back muscles. This can only be achieved if the horse's nuchal (poll to wither)and supraspinous (wither to croup) ligaments are fully engaged. These ligaments are the supports of the spine and enable it to carry its own body mass and that of the rider with minimal muscle power. This allows the back muscles (which are not meant to load bear) to work correctly. True roundness can only be achieved if the horse has a balanced skeleton, supple muscles and is happy in its contact. Without this it cannot be forward and straight and without being forward and straight it cannot be truly round. Soft back and quarter muscles allow the hind limbs to step under and to push through; relaxed neck and shoulder muscles allow the fore limbs to reach the maximum length of stride the horse's conformation allows.
    Roundness cannot be achieved by pulling the head into an outline - in fact that works against it.
    Some gentle suppling work in walk helps in warming up - eg asking for the inside hind to cross over in a small circle, shoulder fore etc. This can also usefully be done from the ground.
    Aim for a long low outline, forget all about where the head is, get the horse moving foward rhythmically and straight; get off its back into a 2 point seat and just work on achieving a relaxed and easy trot. Once you've got it, ask for the same in canter; if the horse hollows, go back to trot or walk and start over.
    As the horse gains confidence in your hand and your ability to stay in balance with him, he'll develop a bigger trot and once his muscles start to strenghten he'll come up naturally. BUT as you start to take up a contact it must always be soft, consistent and elastic. Your job is to organise, facilitate, balance, show the way - not to pull, hold or dominate.
    It's not a quick fix. But when I am schooling a novice dressage horse I aim for a relaxed, balanced, confident horse with smooth flowing paces - I'm not unduly bothered about where its nose is. Hope this helps.
         
        06-12-2009, 10:01 AM
      #10
    Trained
    Great posts Alex and loveponies!
         

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