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    12-31-2011, 08:12 AM
Have you tried lunging her over jumps? If she still bolts then add poles like Skyes said. Sometimes like hot horses over jumps beforehand, aswell as normal lunging, can help a lot.

Good luck :) Cowboy use to rush the jumps too but now he's fine :)
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    01-01-2012, 02:27 PM
Ok before the jump, just do small cross rails and make her WALK over them. Reward her. If she is bolting after the jumps just point her at the wall/fence/rail and MAKE her stop. Make her trot/canter to the jump then make her walk as soon as she lands. My horse used to do that and I fixed it so I hope you do too.
    01-01-2012, 02:28 PM
Never tried walking into them haha, I'll try that thanks :)
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    01-01-2012, 05:04 PM
She could be running away from something- check your postition before a jump and relax- have you had her back checked too?? And are you riding in a field or arena (or manege or ring or whatever you call it)??? In a field horses can get mega excited :P. And another stupid question- have you jumped her riding away from her friends/stable etc??? -horses like to be with their buddies :)
    01-01-2012, 05:08 PM
She's being jumped in the arena considering its -20 at least daily :p and yes she is very herd bound and loves to run towards home, but she still runs going the other way too, but with a wee bit more control, there's NO stopping her going towards home....I don't think it's my position, I like to think I have a pretty decent position and when my coach rides her she still runs like the wind, I'll bring up a back check with my coach :) thanks!
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    01-01-2012, 05:16 PM
It is some thing you have to get a handle on or as others have said, this is going to get very dangerous very fast. When a horse "rushes" at jumps or bolting after the jump, it's not "he really loves jumping" it's triggered by flight response. It is a fear issue, what that fear is.....the hard part.

Have you tried with ground poles cantering over and not moving up until the horse is back under you and willing to hear what your asking?
    01-01-2012, 06:08 PM
Originally Posted by BCtazzie    
It is some thing you have to get a handle on or as others have said, this is going to get very dangerous very fast. When a horse "rushes" at jumps or bolting after the jump, it's not "he really loves jumping" it's triggered by flight response. It is a fear issue, what that fear is.....the hard part.

Have you tried with ground poles cantering over and not moving up until the horse is back under you and willing to hear what your asking?
Just wanted to point out, rushing jumps CAN be because a horse loves jumping. That was the case with my mare. She was definitely not afraid of anything, she just loves to go and would get extremely excited when she saw a jump.

Anyway, what I find works is walk up to a small crossrail and stop a few strides out. Make her back up a couple strides. If she's calm and listening to you, walk forward and let her step over the jump (you could also start with just one rail if a crossrail doesn't work) If she doesn't seem to be paying attention when you ask her to back up, circle her around and go do something else until she's focused on you. Then walk her back up to the jump and try it again. I'd make her stop about the jump too, back up, then walk forward again. Backing her up will get her off the forehand and out of your hands and make her have to concentrate more on what she's being asked to do.
Once you can do this all at the walk, you eventually introduce the trot and so forth. Just make sure you change it up a lot so she doesn't assume what you want her to do because then she won't be listening to what you're asking.
    01-01-2012, 06:59 PM
I am currently retraining my horse for jumpers. Before if I pointed him at a jump he would bolt towards it, over it, and be hard to control on the other side. He had no issue with going over them, never refused but just did it fast. I will kind of repeat what others have been saying to me, though without the video I can not tell if it is a similar situation.

So with some advice from people here I stepped back, I stopped jumping for around 6 months, I worked only on flat, making sure that I had a well established half-halt and balance. The main thing I believe was an issue is that he wasn't balanced at the canter, then I was asking him to jump while being unbalanced, so he rushed.

Once I figured out how to get him working better everything started becoming easier. I have just recently started jumping small cross rails. The flatwork really paid off, I just have to say. Having a trainer help with flat work is amazing too.
    01-02-2012, 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
Have you tried putting out a few poles on the ground before and after the jumps so she has 4 other things to worry about (where her feet are :P) rather than having a clean sweep to the jump and away?
I would not put poles behind a jump. While it may seem to be a good theory, too many times I've seen a horse land on the ground pole and trip. Twice I've seen a horse fall on its rider. The horse cannot see beyond the jump and will have to adjust midair to avoid the poles. The horse may not be able to do that in time to avoid an accident, and if she's hell bent on bolting when she lands, she may not even try.

Do you know how to half halt? Doing dressage work, lots of transitions, half halts will help you bring her back after jumping. I would highly suggest a dressage trainer and going back to basics before jumping again. Once you are ready to jump again, stick with cross rails until she is going nicely over them. Don't rush her by jumping multiple kinds of jumps (i.e., big, small, colorful, flowers) until she has mastered one type of jump.

Another thing to look at is your position. As horses get closer to a fence, their vision tunnels. By the time they are at takeoff point, they must already have judged when they need to take off and how high the fence is because they can't see the jump. If you are throwing your upper body forward or riding in too forward of a seat, that is a cue to your horse that it is a big fence and she will need speed to get over it. Also, being an OTTB and seeing as how jockeys are in such a forward seat, being in that position can bring her back to racing days. I've retrained many an OTTB and the best thing to do with them is to learn how to sit quietly. When they are in race mode, typically interferring with them only causes them to go faster. It's natural to want to lean forward when a horse gets out of control, but to an OTTB, that means to go faster.

I rode an OTTB that was a bolter as well. Lots of circles, figure-8s, serpentines, and changes of direction before and after jumps helped him learn to slow down. Also, what I would do when he would bolt after a jump was to ride him harder. He wanted to gallop after a jump? Fine, but he was going to keep galloping. I did this everytime after a jump and he quickly learned that when he jumped nicely, he got rewarded, and when he bolted, he had to work harder than ever. Only do this if you are 150% confident, or have someone who is do this.

Be safe and good luck!
    01-02-2012, 02:28 PM
I'd be confident pushing her on after, but not fully confident because she always has the chance of throwing in a happy buck. My coach would probably be much more suited for pushing her on after, do you think having her do that a couple times would help?
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