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post #11 of 15 Old 01-24-2010, 03:21 PM
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I had a horse who was sooooo lazy! I could not for my life get him to even go away from home troting, or riding in the arena or anything! He was just a little lazy guy. I used spurs and a crop for about a month just working on geting him to move forward. Now I dont need either! We could probably ride in a halter and gum boots and he would do anything i asked.
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post #12 of 15 Old 01-24-2010, 03:27 PM
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You could also try the supplement (Red Cell) I think its just called Red C now lol not to much of a difference. It is a vitiman supplement and it can help give a little more energy for a lazy horse.

My guy is super lazy too he will stop and not want to move.. at first we thought It might be pain.. but my coach and vet figured out he was just being lazy and an ass...so i started wearing spurs just Tiny ones.. and it really helps and once you can get them to start moving alot more foward they start to do it all the time.. well thats how it worked for me..and my guy.

anyway here is a link to look at

Red Cell - Horse Health Red Cell Liquid Vitamin Mineral Supplement For Horses @ Kyhorse.com

hope this helps :)

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post #13 of 15 Old 01-24-2010, 04:10 PM
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Well, spurs shouldn't be an issue unless used incorrectly(ex: poking them every step and getting them dull to the spur). When riding with a spur correctly, the toe should be in enough that when you squeeze or kick, you don't jab them in the spur. The "roller" spurs are wonderful, not painful to the horse unless you stab them in, they just roll along their side. Im NOT talking about rowel spurs, these just roll along with the horses body. I only school my horse with them once a week just to keep him sharp cuz he makes a big deal about the visual of a crop.

Sketter had a good suggestion, the pony who had the thyroid problem(before being properly diagnosed) was put on red cell and really perked up.

But although you say the previous owner says he has always been lazy, he could have always had a problem. Your best bet is to ask a vet, they are trained to properly and medically diagnose a horse. Ive bought and sold plenty of horses and you can never trust a seller.
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post #14 of 15 Old 01-24-2010, 04:27 PM
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Couple of other points to consider -

If you have to use the stick frequently, you're using it incorrectly. Two mistakes I commonly see: first, if you put your 'ask' on a ten point scale, the first ask should be a 1, the second a 4 - 5 and the third should be an 11. Most people start at 4, go to 5, then to 6. This teaches the horse to wait for the 6 or 7 ask. There needs to be a big difference in the size of each ask to give the horse the incentive to listen for the first, little ask.

The stick behind your leg, in this schooling scenario, is saying "HEY!!!!!!!!!YOU!!!!! I just gave a leg aid and you weren't listening!!!!!!!!!" What most people have the stick say is "Ummm, Excuse me? Are you there? Would you mind listening to my leg now, okay??"

The mistake is nagging the horse with the stick, and then settling for a half hearted or mediocre response.

You've used the stick correctly in this schooling scenario when the horse shoots across the arena in surprise. The other poster who mentioned holding the mane so you don't inadvertantly grab at the horse's mouth when this happens was spot on. Praising the horse effusively for the forward motion, whatever it was, is critically important as well.

To the OP, when you're beginning this process, it's a great idea to have an instructor or knowledgable friend on the ground to help and keep you honest. We all make excuses for our horses, more excuses for the ones we're fond of. Someone on the ground who can gauge the size of the ask and give you feedback is very helpful.

Better still would be an experienced rider or instructor to do a little 15 minute school of your lazy boy first, then have you get on, but I understand that may not be an option for you.
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post #15 of 15 Old 01-24-2010, 05:40 PM Thread Starter
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Okay, a few things:

1) Frazier does move off my leg, its keeping him going that is the biggest issue. He responds very well for upwards transitions its just I have to squeeze every stride.
2) I am horribley frightened to wear spurs, so I don't, and would prefer to never wear them, because my eq is kinda shoddy and don't want to stab him by accident.
3) He was not "bought". Bunny is someone my entire family trusts and she goes and rides at Goucher College. She is head of the equestrian department and Frazier was "given" to us under the same circumstances as a rescue horse, that is, should we ever not want him, he gets sent back to Goucher.
4) He has passed the vetting and there is nothing wrong with him. He is just lazy and does not want to move.
5) I don't constantly beat him with the stick. Only when he's constantly not listening. Like yesterday, wheneve we passed Mac in the corner, Frazier would try to break his canter. I would give him a good thwack and send him forward.

I'll talk to my mom about Red C/ell but what I'm mostl looking for is exercises to get him to perk up when jumping so he's just slightly closer to the speed jumpers have. I can deal with his hacking, its building up my calf muscles. And he's getting better about it, he's beginning to learn that I don't let him get away with stuff like breaking our speed.

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