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    10-11-2009, 12:10 PM
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I've been jumping Zeus now about once a week. We started with baby crossrails for a while, and once he was jumping those nicely we moved it up to 2'-2'3" stuff, at the highest. Okay so with the baby x's we jumped them fine, didn't take off too early, yada yada. My position looks pretty good, for now i'm not worrying about my release except to stay out of his mouth and i'm concentrating on not jumping ahead and keeping my legs under me. Doing pretty well with that. But with the 2'-2'3" jumps today we started off really well, I'd circle around the jumps, bending him, getting him focused and collected, and than suddenly, we'd turn in and we'd pop over them. We did fine with that. As long as he can't anticipate the jump he's great. But when we'd come at the jump from a decent ways back he started jumping WAY too soon. I'd get left behind and have no hope of doing anything but staying off his back and out of his mouth on the landing. I'm thinking that until we get a jump trainer we should stick with the cross rails. Because I know it's the way I'm setting him up, or not setting him up, that's causing him to take off so early. In some pictures it looks like he was jumping the shadow instead of the jump. (Rode really early this morning, looooong shadows.)

I know ground poles should help with overjumping and I'll definitely try that. What else do you suggest besides the trainer which I'll be getting once we move him at the end of the month, and ground poles?

On the bright side Zeus really enjoyed riding so early and was very forward and willing today. He was super easy going and didn't fight me at all. I think it's because I really focused on riding him just by my seat, and use my hand lastly. I even got him to come down from a canter to a walk after one of the jumps by just a light tug on the reins and sort of blocking his motion with my seat. Brilliant.


I'll have pictures at some point today, not good ones, but oh well.
Might go up in critique.
     
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    10-11-2009, 01:40 PM
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Foal
Ugh..shadows can be some horses worst nightmare...lol. I think it is a great idea that you are going to be working with a trainer. Having someone on the ground is SO important, no matter what level you are at. Ground poles as well as trot/canter poles would help set him up to learn to jump from the base of the jump and are a great idea. I would think that sticking with trotting cross rails (which is GREAT for horses) would be a wonderful idea until you move him. Sounds like you are having fun though! Would love to see pics!
     
    10-11-2009, 02:07 PM
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There are pics in critique now, just posted them. :]
     
    10-11-2009, 09:01 PM
  #4
Trained
If he consistently takes off early, have you tried a balancing half halt a stride or two before the jump? Just a slight shift of weight toward his hind end should let him easily fit a full stride in and jump from the correct distance. My horse was doing that and all it took was sitting upright for a stride and opening my shoulders about two strides from the fence. Very minor adjustment with very big results.
     
    10-11-2009, 09:18 PM
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^ I do sit tall and try to encourage him with my body to wait, but I will try the half-halt. I talked to his owner and here's what she said about his early takeoffs.

"For him jumping early - lessons. This horse, despite his many abilities, will pick a less-than-ideal spot almost every time if you don't ride him all the way to the base and tell him when to take off. Now, he will jump from anywhere, long, short, or correct - but you'll usually only get the correct spot if you ask."

So, just like I thought, it's definitely all me. Something I'm doing, or not doing, is telling him that he needs to take off early. I'll keep working on it. Thanks!
     
    10-17-2009, 11:42 AM
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Foal
I didn't look at your pictures, but it sounds like you're not riding him to the base of the jump. I remember watching a video of Zeus with his old owner riding him and he's definitely a jumper, so he's trained to listen to you to tell him when to take off. I don't think Zeus is a schoolmaster quite yet, so when he's taking off long or chipping in he's just winging it and deciding how to jump it with you as a passenger.

I had this problem with a pony I went to try this summer. I kept getting left behind because I was having trouble controling her canter, and riding a horse to the base of a jump is so much more than pulling on their mouth or sitting up tall. (and this is hard to work on without a trainer!) Every horse and rider pair is different, so the way that you ride to a jump is going to be slightly different. Maybe finding articles on it will help out. Jumping lessons with a pro who's dealt with high powered jumpers is probably going to be your best bet though!
     
    10-17-2009, 11:50 AM
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Foal
I didn't look at your pictures, but it sounds like you're not riding him to the base of the jump. I remember watching a video of Zeus with his old owner riding him and he's definitely a jumper, so he's trained to listen to you to tell him when to take off. I don't think Zeus is a schoolmaster quite yet, so when he's taking off long or chipping in he's just winging it and deciding how to jump it with you as a passenger.

I had this problem with a pony I went to try this summer. I kept getting left behind because I was having trouble controling her canter, and riding a horse to the base of a jump is so much more than pulling on their mouth or sitting up tall. (and this is hard to work on without a trainer!) Every horse and rider pair is different, so the way that you ride to a jump is going to be slightly different. Maybe finding articles on it will help out. Jumping lessons with a pro who's dealt with high powered jumpers is probably going to be your best bet though!
     

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