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    06-24-2011, 10:30 AM
  #21
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Hunters and jumpers are really two totally different things.
Same fence height or not, they are two very different things.
     
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    06-24-2011, 12:59 PM
  #22
Foal
I am looking at my local h/j show papers right now since I am switching out classes and horses.

Our local group which is between schooling rated show & "A" rated show starts out with 18" X bar class which allows trotting and continues up to 3'.

Our jumper classes (arg. Timed tables) start at 2' and max at 3'9"

I plan to use one horse Sat only in the Jumper low classes, maxing at 2'6" and if there is time I may switch him out to low Hunters, course I wont be one of those riders holding up the hunter ring b/c I am in the jumper classes. I usually add those at the time ....

Same on Sunday with another horse but he will be maxing at 2'3" and the hunter classes I am more geared him doing to ensure he has the basics to be successful at a higher level in the jumper arena. Esp. The X-bar classes help him be more straight ... the flower boxes are handy b/c it helps me keep him going forward and not 'duck or run out'...

Personally I prefer the rush of speed jump and x-c / eventing. Hunters is too proper for me. I could care less if I am on the right leads or how many strides b/t jumps (I do understand those are handy for the other BUT I wont get marked down for missing those). For instance I used to ride a NSH and his strides were always 5-6 vs. rest of the TBs in my class were doing solid 7s so I just never be in ribbons with him, etc.

Also I hate wearing the hunt coats, in fact give me my comfy x-c safety vest any day! Course I love matching pads to my shirts and wearing different color breeches.

BUT I appreciate the neat and tidy way Hunters is ridden, def. Harder for me to "pull it off" and be successful ...
     
    06-24-2011, 03:35 PM
  #23
Green Broke
FSH (and OP)- I actually agree with a lot of what you said, the hunters CAN be a good stepping stone for a green rider or green horse to get into the jump ring. Things like pace control, distances, straightness, striding, balance/leads, are things hunters value most. If these things are already ingrained in your riding it will give you an advantage in the jumper ring. So OP, I imagine that's why What I disagree with is the quote below... I think there are A LOT of reasons why people should compete at 2"6 courses, just as others on here have mentioned. I think it's ridiculous to move up if or your horse aren't ready. For a lot of people 2"6 is difficult and there's nothing wrong with that.

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I feel that little shows like handy hunter at 2'6 with 8 fences in a course with wide slow turns is just not something someone should stay in to compete at.
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I agree with amymarie, most HUS horses are very automatic....and boring IMO. Its not for me, the slow trotting around the ring as pretty as can be and then jumping low fences in perfect form from a barely moving canter on a horse that already knows the course because its done it a million times.
You know we aren't talking about HUS, right? There is a difference between breed show HUS stuff (where they do go super slow) and Hunters at H/J shows. You do NOT want a slow trot and cantering a course too slow will deduct just as many points as going too fast. (the goal is to be on the optimum pace for your horse and the course) I believe the judges are looking for what they call a "bright" (meaning forward) pace, just not one that is so fast it looks dangerous.

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But there are higher hunter classes, I think theyre more common overseas however, also.
Just FYI, they don't really have hunters overseas. They have higher level hunters at RATED shows. In fact, one of the more popular and growing divisions is the 4"6 performance hunters. I will roll my eyes at any person who thinks hunters at this level is "simple" or "easy".

To the OP again.. you mentioned your horse has a big stride and round jump? That's EXACTLY what a hunter judge is looking for! Regardless of size of horse. But... you also mentioned he wasn't a good mover? That will hurt you in the hack. :) I recently showed a horse in the Pre-Greens all last year that moved like a cart horse but had a spectacular jump, giant stride, and was really flashy to look at. Judges seemed to forget his movement wasn't ideal. While we didn't usually ribbon in the hack (in fact I usually scratched if it was a big class) he did quite well over fences.
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    06-25-2011, 11:27 PM
  #24
Foal
... and then there's hunter equitation, with tighter, more technical courses where the rider is the only thing being judged and not the horse.

My current coach owns an eventing type of barn and hosts local schooling shows. The cross country part has 1', 1.5' and 2' jumps, and the arena has jumps up to 3'. And when she's starting new kids, she teaches them equitation until they start progressing to the bigger jumps.

Which, to me, makes sense. You want to have the fundamentals down -- effectiveness, quietness, finding distances, etc. -- before letting them go on to timed courses and galloping, the technicalities, etc.

How high are you jumping currently?
     

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