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    10-07-2010, 11:39 PM
  #1
Green Broke
Talking to the Judge After (Hunters)

For all those hunters out there...

I have only ever done schooling shows and one fall fair, so this is just a question. Why is it always so taboo to talk to a judge after at a rated show? I have gone up to the judges after schooling shows if I can to see why I got what I did and what can I improve upon. One show the judge actually came up to us and told individuals why they were placed (was surprised and pleased at this!). I grew up around race horses and was a self taught western rider, although any time I took lessons it was english...the rules arent ingrained in my head like they might be if I grew up around the hunter ring. I like to ask the judge so I understand the rules a bit more each time....and so that next time I know better what to fix. So why does it change when you move up? Shouldnt it still be acceptable to understand why you did or did not place?
     
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    10-08-2010, 07:38 AM
  #2
Banned
The judge is busy and can you imagine what it would be like if a couple people from each class went over and asked him question. The poor judge would have a hard time continuing to judge.

Rated shows are usually a long day to start with. If the judge had to pause to answer questions it would make the day even longer.

Most people ride with trainers. It is the trainer's job to explain to their clients what they did and how they can improve. The judge is not there acting as a trainer.

There is nothing wrong with asking the ring steward if the judge is available to answer questions at any time. Some judges will make the time.
     
    10-08-2010, 02:14 PM
  #3
Weanling
I agree ^^^

But it depends on the judge. If you wait untill lunch, or when they have a break of some kind, some of them are more than happy to give you tips, or tell you what youve done wrong. But then again, some of them just don't want to be bothered for some reason or another. I've been to several different shows and a lot of the times the judges are the same if the shows are in the same area. Most places have a list of judges on their website, I like that a lot :) believe it or not, judges DO remember some riders haha.
     
    10-10-2010, 10:03 PM
  #4
Weanling
Sometimes the trainer can go and speak with the judge, but I remember always being taught never go to the judge yourself. They are very busy at rated show, I would show with 20+ horses in a division and I wouldnt want to talk to all those kids if I were the judge lol. There were a few judges who knew me and my horses over the years and would talk to me if I had a good or bad day after the show or at lunch, it just depends on the judge. Sometimes you can ask to see the card after the show, but I've hardly ever seen anyone do it. It just seems to be an unspoken rule of rated shows.
     
    10-10-2010, 10:14 PM
  #5
Trained
In dressage we get our tests back after the end of every class and can see all our marks, and the judge's comments. So naturally this "here's your ribbon!" thing drives me NUTS. The shows around here won't let you see the cards, even the schooly shows. Only one time did I have a judge talk to me even. How are we supposed to improve if we don't know why we were placed up/down?
     
    10-10-2010, 10:33 PM
  #6
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
In dressage we get our tests back after the end of every class and can see all our marks, and the judge's comments. So naturally this "here's your ribbon!" thing drives me NUTS. The shows around here won't let you see the cards, even the schooly shows. Only one time did I have a judge talk to me even. How are we supposed to improve if we don't know why we were placed up/down?
Agreed. I've never had the opportunity to enter a dressage competition (and honestly am not ready to at this point ), but the aspect of getting to see my marks and what needs improving appeals to me greatly.

Some of the shows in my area do this bonkers system where everyone gets a ribbon, and the color designates that you fell into whatever score range: 85-100% score gets a blue, 70-85% gets red, and everyone else gets white. I'm not sure what the exact ranges are, but that's the general idea. I hate only knowing that I placed within a given range, and nothing more specific.

I have done some ring-mastering and judge-assisting at small schooling shows, so I can personally confirm that it is an insanely busy day for the judge if the show is of any size at all.
     
    10-10-2010, 10:35 PM
  #7
Green Broke
I wouldnt want to talk to the judge and ask what I did wrong, but more why I got placed where I did.... Especially if say out of a class of 20....5 people had a crappy ride, 5 people had an ok ride, and the other 9 and myself had really good rides, what was their determining factor to them placing me 6th. It does end up being what I did wrong I guess, but if the class could be considered close, would the coach/trainer know what you did wrong, or is it one of those hunter judge things where they look for something different?
     
    10-11-2010, 01:45 AM
  #8
Foal
First off I would like to say: I wish I had your schooling show judges!!!! The ones where I live are totally biased towards their home barn or towards a certain breed of horse... infuriating... and will not speak to anyone about why someone placed where they did.

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Originally Posted by VelvetsAB    
It does end up being what I did wrong I guess, but if the class could be considered close, would the coach/trainer know what you did wrong, or is it one of those hunter judge things where they look for something different?
You know how it goes. Some judges only look for certain things, some really dislike certain breeds/colors, etc...
I would say: Ask your trainer first what they thought of your courses. A lot of times they will see those little things that caused you to place where you did. If they have no clue, leave it up to them whether or not you (or they) should see if you could talk to the judge and when.
     
    10-11-2010, 03:38 PM
  #9
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
How are we supposed to improve if we don't know why we were placed up/down?
That is why you have your trainer there. They watched you go, they know what you did wrong. They go over it with you.
     
    10-11-2010, 06:01 PM
  #10
Trained
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Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
That is why you have your trainer there. They watched you go, they know what you did wrong. They go over it with you.
The reason I go to shows in the first place is not to buy a $600 ribbon and also pay for some lessons. I go to get a new opinion from the judge. If I am not hearing or reading the judge's opinion, how can I improve, or compare with what I am already doing? How do I validate or invalidate what my coach is saying? How can I get new ideas on training and improve?
In dressage it is very easy to do these things because you get your test back with scores and writing. Not just some arbitrary placement.
     

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