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        02-05-2012, 12:56 PM
      #11
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
    why does she need them ? You could carry a crop. Crops are nice, because its really hard to accidentally beat your horse with one.
    She needs the spurs because she doesn't always listen to my legs when I'm asking her to bend or extend or anything. I use them for a little extra pressure when she ignores my leg. I don't beat her with them, I just don't want that extra pressure there when I jump. So I'm just trying to keep my toes in so I'm Only gripping with leg.

    I do carry a crop as well, but the only time I ever use it is when I ask for a canter and she refuses to go, which ISA bad habit she has. I only like the crop to correct bad behavior, not as an aid. You can't really use a crop to ask for bend on the flat or add pressure when you squeeze.
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        02-05-2012, 01:40 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    Sounds like your horse could use some sensitivity training! If you work on them responding right away in the proper manner to your aids such as your leg you can get to the point where you don't need to use spurs. I used to use spurs until I did sensitivity training with my horse. I asked her soft at first and then harder and harder until she listened. If she didnt respond to leg after a few times asking her I would reinforce the go forward or move laterally with the whip or the spur. Once they learn what you want you can get them to listen with less pressure and then you hardly need to use the crop or spurs. I don't where spurs ever on my horse anymore and carry a crop or whip but use it maybe once a week! I hope this can help you!
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        02-05-2012, 04:07 PM
      #13
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Jumper12    
    sounds like your horse could use some sensitivity training! If you work on them responding right away in the proper manner to your aids such as your leg you can get to the point where you don't need to use spurs. I used to use spurs until I did sensitivity training with my horse. I asked her soft at first and then harder and harder until she listened. If she didnt respond to leg after a few times asking her I would reinforce the go forward or move laterally with the whip or the spur. Once they learn what you want you can get them to listen with less pressure and then you hardly need to use the crop or spurs. I don't where spurs ever on my horse anymore and carry a crop or whip but use it maybe once a week! I hope this can help you!
    I wish I could do that! She's a lesson horse, so she always has kids flapping around on her. It's really hard to have any kind of consistency in training her. I quarter lease her and ride her twice a week, but in between she has probably 6 different beginner-intermediate riders.
         
        02-08-2012, 05:12 PM
      #14
    Banned
    A dressage whip is a lot more versatile and is capable of a lot more subtlety than a crop.

    True, it's not as quick as spurs when you need to reinforce the leg on the side opposite where you carry your whip. But the longer length and flexibility of the whip allows you to gently reinforce your leg by tapping just behind your leg.
         
        02-08-2012, 07:22 PM
      #15
    Trained
    The crop is not a punishment, its just reinforcing your aids. If you are accidentally spuring her, that is not fair to her, lesson horse or not. Horses are very good at knowing who is on their back, there is no reason that sensativity training would not work for her.
         
        02-08-2012, 07:26 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Okay, thanks for all the advice guys! I tried the turning the stirrups trick and it seems to work so far! I really just wanted tips for keeping toes in while jumping, didn't mean to spark a debate about spurs or anything. But thank you everyone, really appreciate all the advice. =D
         
        02-08-2012, 10:06 PM
      #17
    Foal
    Anther thing you could try is to buy off-set irons. They are regular irons just that the slot to run the stirrup leathers through are slightly off-set to the side, you coud use them until it becomes a habit.
         

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