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    08-14-2012, 08:05 AM
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Talking What can you tell me about Jumpers/Show Jumping? :)

I love learning new disciplines, my mare and I have worn many hats (Eventing, Dressage, Fox Hunting, Trail riding, Hunter/Jumper...) and now we're looking to learn a bit about Jumpers/Show Jumping So all you Jumpers out there, what can you tell me about the discipline, what you look for in a horse, what the local schooling shows are like, rules, etc?

And maybe some fun piccies of you and your Jumper
     
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    08-14-2012, 09:44 PM
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Well, jumpers is basically the discipline for horses and riders who may lack the movement and form for flat and hunter classes. You aren't judged on the way you looked and only time and faults matter for placings. The first round is judged only on faults and then the top riders who have tied for faults come back and do a timed jump-off to see who is fastest. You basically want a careful and honest jumper who can go faster and be quick on its feet to turn and shave off time. Generally, jumpers are more energetic. My mare is a great horse for jumpers as she's VERY careful and honest. She also memorizes the course if we have to do it more than once...
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    08-14-2012, 10:12 PM
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Sounds like fun!
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    08-19-2012, 08:37 AM
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Any other Jumpers out there?
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    08-20-2012, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jumanji321    
Well, jumpers is basically the discipline for horses and riders who may lack the movement and form for flat and hunter classes.
Umm... or it's for horses that jump well and are successful at navigating a more technical course... Yes, some jumpers are hunter rejects, but jumpers are a whole sport in and of itself. And unlike hunters, there is no height limit. It takes a special and very talented horse to be successful in it.

First and foremost, when it comes to rules you need to understand the "tables". (assuming you're showing at a USEF sanctioned show). Here is an earlier post where I described them...
Jumper Tables?
Know what your tables are so you know how to ride the course.

Our local shows have hunter classes and then jumper classes, and often they're in the same ring and the course does not get reset. (At rated shows the jumpers get a whole ring unto them selves and the course gets reset about every other level). Since the jumps are set in the same places that the hunter courses are set, this means that the jumper courses are either 1) basically an eq course or 2) made up by someone who isn't a jumper and they just throw in some really weird turns. At rated shows thought they have course designers that are making courses specific to the discipline and I don't thin ktheyre going to be too different from eventing show jumping. Your horse must be brave (the jumps will be more brightly colored and often weird shapes, NOT something you'd see on a hunt course!), the strides aren't necessarily set on a 12 foot stride so they must be adjustable, and as you get higher up they will throw in some tricky elements like combinations (one stride, a triple combo, etc) and difficult turns.

My biggest pet peeve are people who just tear around the ring as fast as they can making everyone gasp. While they may be successful at the lower levels their lack of ability to ride a technical course will bite them in the butt as soon as they jumps go up. So even though Sandy doesn't like dressage, i'd definitely start working on her rideability. Get her back on her haunch so she can really turn well, get her moving laterally, extra responsive and able to lengthen and shorten her stride and pace, etc. I'm a hunter princess at heart and speed is not in my natural vocab but I've been showing a lot of jumpers lately and I do have to say it's been fun. :)
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    08-21-2012, 12:33 AM
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I said "may", in other words, it doesn't mean always. I'm well aware that jumpers need to be talented to succeed. I'm not stupid.
     
    08-21-2012, 12:42 AM
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I said "may", in other words, it doesn't mean always. I'm well aware that jumpers need to be talented to succeed. I'm not stupid.
This was a bit uncalled for. Your post stated basically that jumpers are hunters that didn't make the cut because they don't have the prettiest/ most correct form... Upnover posted a great response to the OP's question. Jumpers can have great step and movement as well, but may prefer the jumper ring.
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    08-21-2012, 08:01 AM
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Well, jumpers is basically the discipline for horses and riders who may lack the movement and form for flat and hunter classes.
Well excuse me!

Jumpers is INCREDIBLY technical and difficult, often with difficult striding and tricky lines (particularly in the jump-off) and the horse MUST be properly balanced and working from behind, otherwise it WILL take rails because it won't be possible to get it to the fences on the correct striding.

I ride almost exclusively jumpers, and I am quite offended that you say it's for horses with bad form/movement and riders who aren't as "perfect". Honestly, we don't have hunters here in Aus, but I am glad for it because I would find it BORING - where on earth is the challenge in simple lines on set striding? There's sure not much challenge in the height, or even particularly the fill.

I acknowledge that there is a certain skill and challenge involved in training the horse to go around on a set stride length with a set rhythm, and training it to jump with a set form from a set distance (and maintaining it), but from where I'm sitting, you haven't LIVED if you haven't had to try to fit two strides in a one-stride bounce, or else extend your horse's stride enough between jump 8 (3 strides away) and jump 9A that you make jump 9B on the correct stride length - WITHOUT flattening your horse out and making it jump poorly.

My horse is too excitable for hunters, but I did have a pony that would have been ideal for it... but, guess what, I actually found jumping BORING with that pony because he could find the stride himself and there was no challenge in it for me.
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    08-21-2012, 10:09 AM
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I'm very sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I didn't mean to imply that jumpers was strictly for poor formed horses. I just know that the OP has been having issues with her horse in flat classes/movement based judging and felt the need to point out that jumpers is not judged on movement. I hould have realized how vague I was in my original post. I do admit that I rarely get snarky like that. Once again, I apologize for offending anyone.
     
    08-21-2012, 01:07 PM
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I'm very sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I didn't mean to imply that jumpers was strictly for poor formed horses. I just know that the OP has been having issues with her horse in flat classes/movement based judging and felt the need to point out that jumpers is not judged on movement. I hould have realized how vague I was in my original post. I do admit that I rarely get snarky like that. Once again, I apologize for offending anyone.
Apology accepted by all I'm sure (and if not, take it elsewhere people!) Appreciate the apology, sometimes it can be difficult to come off the way you meant via online!!

Anywhooo, thanks everyone for the GREAT responses!! And I'm actually considering getting back into Eventing...entered a mini trial for this weekend, wish us luck! But I do love the idea of Jumpers (since I only like dressage so/so anyway), and I want to pursue it for sure!! I'm working with a trainer who takes his students to the local Jumper circuit and I'm excited about it! I, like many others, found Hunters kind of boring and really missed my cross country jumping and scary looking Jumper fences!

Although I will say, riding that perfect Hunter round was definitely something that felt pretty good, and I do think some of the things I learned in Hunters this summer have their place in other discliplines for sure! I think it was a great break for us and we can apply what we learned to what we are doing going forward...but for both our sakes, we need something a tad more nail-biting again!
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