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  • Are there any political policies or regulations regarding starting an equestrian business in canada

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    08-06-2012, 07:42 PM
  #21
Trained
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Originally Posted by ponyboy    
I agree with the ruling (and I'm Canadian). Horse welfare aside, there has to be a zero tolerance policy for things like this, otherwise it opens the door for some teams to be treated differently than others. As soon as you start adding if's, and's, or but's into the equation you leave room for officials to make decisions based on the wrong reasons.

We weren't really in medal contention anyway. I think we did well considering. We'll never be as successful as we were when we had Hickstead.
Agreed completely. The equestrian community and the public asked for accountability in international competition and for upholding the welfare of the horse - well here it is folks!

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Originally Posted by kaykat31    
I didn't read this article(unless it's the same one I read yesterday) but in my opinion the DQ was a bit ridiculous. The article I read said it a was superficial cut, in which case it most likely was not bad at all, and the article I read said they didn't even jog him to see if he was sound. It's so easy to get a superficial cut, and it probably caused no damage and would not have hurt the horse to have shown at all. I feel bad for Tiffany that her first olympic experience ended like this. Also, this doesn't 100% relate to this thread, but I think horse's should jog for soundness/vet check first & then be allowed to have certain precautionary medications, such as bute. 1.60m for multiple days in a row is HARD on a horse. And yes, I realize the FEI does all of this for the horse & rider safety, but still, it's a bit over the top sometimes...
Take any media with a grain of salt. The FEI vet said something to the effect that he would not ride the horse and that it should be on antibiotics. One article I've read said that there was a cut and a crack in the hoof - and IMO just based on previous FEI rulings I doubt they are "exaggerating" the injury.

Also - at all FEI events the horses are jogged prior to the event starting. There is also an in barn inspection. Horses are not allowed any NSAIDs at all. However they are allowed certain antibiotics, topicals, etc.. with an exemption request form and an FEI vet signature. Allowing NSAIDs is a whole 'nother story and IMO again I side with the FEI on their zero tolerance policy about NSAIDs in international competitions. There is a whole series of rule books just with regulations for these competitions and it is a very dry read.
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    08-07-2012, 01:08 PM
  #22
Foal
I still think that there's a political pull going on and perfect example: Jamie Sale and David Pelletier.
Now on to another spin on the games, the horse and rider are disqualified and everyone's upset. Yes, I agree that the horse, if indeed is injured, should not be ridden. So why are the ATHLETES that are getting injured during the games, still allowed to compete? I've been watching and the gymnastics are brutal, the athletes are landing wrong, limping off the floor and you see them again doing another routine. If they want to make rules and rulings, they have to be fair on all levels.
     
    08-07-2012, 08:13 PM
  #23
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Originally Posted by LegendsChic    
So why are the ATHLETES that are getting injured during the games, still allowed to compete?
Because the athletes are HUMAN? They can be asked how they feel. They understand the implications of continuing to compete. They have a choice in the matter! Horses don't even understand what the Olympics ARE. Sheesh...
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    08-07-2012, 08:17 PM
  #24
Showing
The only thing I don't understand is why there aren't backups for this type of thing... Being one rider down put Canada at such a severe disadvantage in a sport we could have done really well in. Why are there no alternates?
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    08-07-2012, 08:36 PM
  #25
Foal
Even as a Canadian, I am disheartened by the DQ but not shedding any tears over it. Cry all you want over the unfairness of official rulings, but that's the nature of the beast. I would rather see the FEI strictly adhere to the rules than be too slack with them.
     
    08-07-2012, 10:49 PM
  #26
Foal
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
The only thing I don't understand is why there aren't backups for this type of thing... Being one rider down put Canada at such a severe disadvantage in a sport we could have done really well in. Why are there no alternates?
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I was curious about this too, I know the US had an alternate that traveled with them, so I would assume Canada would as well? I was wondering if there was some rule about no alternates after the competition began or something to that effect?
     
    08-08-2012, 12:20 AM
  #27
Foal
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Originally Posted by ponyboy    
because the athletes are human? They can be asked how they feel. They understand the implications of continuing to compete. They have a choice in the matter! Horses don't even understand what the olympics are. Sheesh...
hahahahaha!!! Sheesh!
     
    08-08-2012, 04:15 PM
  #28
Weanling
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
The only thing I don't understand is why there aren't backups for this type of thing... Being one rider down put Canada at such a severe disadvantage in a sport we could have done really well in. Why are there no alternates?
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There are alternates, but they only allowed to substitute up until (I believe) 2 hours before the competition starts. Once the competition starts, the alternate is not allowed to compete. That is how the rules are written.
     
    08-08-2012, 05:05 PM
  #29
Weanling
I think yes it sucks for Canada but it happens, Eric saying he will boycott upcoming events is very dumb. For someone who was given many many second, 3rd and FOURTH chances he should pipe down. I think this whole situation has been blow out of control because of social media. If there was no Facebook, twitter exc everyone would just say okay, he was dq'd.

In this sport it happens and the test is a very useful one, the horse may have been able to compete but I was not the vet so not my call. I don't think they should release photos because in the horse world everyone has an answer and why is it our business? I'm a Canadian and it sucks that this time it was one of our riders but maybe the vets made a good call, maybe it was political. But if it was politics I would have picked a stronger team lol. Our team was new and many many people don't even think Tiffany was a good choice to go to the Olympics anyway.
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    08-08-2012, 07:57 PM
  #30
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I agree about Eric too. So Tiffany is his student, so what? It almost makes me suspicious.
     

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