What are your thoughts on Jumping before learning to canter?

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What are your thoughts on Jumping before learning to canter?

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    12-18-2009, 04:50 PM
Green Broke
What are your thoughts on Jumping before learning to canter?

So, someone I know changed from my (amazing) eventing trainer, to another in the area. I heard she's ok, but I looked her up in the USEA website and she didin't even have a membership, which means she couldn't have compeated above BN. So, my friend said she jumped her first jump, and I was excited for her(It couldn't have been big of course). She is a good rider for her level, her heels are down, she has relativly quite hands, but hasn't cantered much, if any, yet. I have always belived that you should master the horse COMPLEATLY on the ground before jumping. That is my opnion, because I think dressage is the most important aspect of english riding, and eventing. So what do you people, who know alot more than me, think about this?
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    12-18-2009, 04:54 PM
My dressage trainer wouldnt let us jump a cross rail till we had a good canter.
    12-18-2009, 05:04 PM
I agree with you. Jumping is one of the more advanced and dangerous levels of horse riding. I believe that a person should master every gait the horse has on the flat long before moving up to jumping.
    12-18-2009, 05:30 PM
Green Broke
Good, I'm glad I'm not like, crazy!
    12-18-2009, 05:43 PM
I think there are circumstances where it isn't going to hurt.

I had a 13 yo student who hadn't "mastered" a canter, she was very balanced and coordinated but would tense up then start to bounce, but I introduced single cross rails, about 1 foot at the most, to help her take her mind off her canter. She would approach in two point at the trot and my pony would canter away after the rail, and she would sit back to make him stop but most of the time she would get the canter after the cross rail and just go with it. She was too busy thinking about the jump and just relaxed into the canter. She enjoyed it, I didn't force her and it worked for her. She moved on to her own pony and is growing into a great rider. I tried to keep things fun and relaxed, if we got stuck on something I wouldn't dwell on it ie make her keep trying to canter perfectly before we tried anything else new.

I think it depends on the pony and the rider, sometimes a set order isn't going to work for everyone. But I can see where the majority of the time it will probably work to canter before jump.
    12-18-2009, 06:46 PM
Green Broke
Well she was cantering and can control the horse at the canter before right?
    12-18-2009, 07:04 PM
I learned to jump before I was cantering well and it was because I was forced on a school horse and I didn't know any better and I regret it very much lol
    12-18-2009, 07:21 PM
Green Broke
In my opinion, it's not ok. I feel that you need to master everything on that horse on the flat before you start jumping (poles are different). But other than that, no jumping before cantering. Cantering makes you balance and you have to be balanced to even go over an X rail
    12-18-2009, 07:31 PM
I feel, that far too many Coaches today are not in it for the wellfare fo their students, and are in it for the quick cash they make in their pockets.

I think that riders should NOT be jumping at all, until they have mastered all 3 gaits, with rhythm, balance, control, and doing Training Level Dressage before they are permitted to jump.

I think far too many Students are not being put on the Lunge Line now a days and are allowed to run around the arena, with no balance, no seat, not even an idea of how to use their seats, yet - are allowed to jump over fences from x rails to 2'?".

Baffles me!! Absolutely baffles me.
    12-18-2009, 08:50 PM
Green Broke
Me too! I was acctually thinking about this the other day, and I would want my students, if I ever became a coach, to master at least a Training level(eventing) dressage test. At that point you know how to balance a horse, put them on their haunches, ride from your seat, not your hands, and really ride. Then you can get yourself out of a sticky situation.

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