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  • Not learning to canter and losing confidence
  • Learning to canter english

 
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    12-18-2009, 08:59 PM
  #11
Weanling
I see what you all mean. I am in no way a jumper. I have never been with an actual trainer, but my parents took the advice of the more experienced people around and by the time I was 6 or 7 I was walking and trotting on teh lunge line. I think that in any discipline it is important to master the basics before moving on. Too many times you see people trail riding, jumping, doing poles/barrles that have never actually worked on their balance. They sit on the horse, pull on its mouth, and attempt to catch themselves if tehy start to fall.

I do understand putting someone on the small poles or jumps to train the canter. I was lucky enough to learn while I was a little girl and thought I was invincible. I think there are very few exeptions though when theat should be done. In general a person should be able to w/t/c in acontrolled manner before doing anything more advanced.
     
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    12-19-2009, 01:49 PM
  #12
Weanling
I was started jumping before I even learned good balance at the posting trot. My trainer (the same one who physically beated and ruined one of our horses, and sold us a chronic bucker.) told me, "Either you start jumping right here, or you stop riding."
Appalling. And you know what happened? I never developed respect for jumping, because I was so young, and when I began riding Chloe I learned respect the hard way. She was green, and she was a wild card. She is actually the only horse I've ever fallen off of to this day, and both times landed me on my head. She would refuse, take the most scary longspots, she chipped absolutely every jump, and half the time she would get scared and bolt. I never wanted to jump again.
But she taught me that jumping is not something to laugh about. It isn't just running as fast as you can to get over the course. It's dangerous. If you don't have the power to sit a horse, how can you expect yourself to actually stay with the horse while jumping?
And, ironically, I didn't learn how to canter until a year after I started jumping.

I do believe in pole work, but again with a rider that has decent enough balance in the gait that you're working on.
     
    12-19-2009, 03:44 PM
  #13
Green Broke
^exactly. This girl that I am talking about is my absolute best friend, if something happened to her, I would die! I don't want her to take it lightly...
     
    12-19-2009, 05:45 PM
  #14
Yearling
My daughter has been taking english lessons for about 1 1/2 months, her trainer/instructor has been working with her with a variety of exercises to help her with a secure /balanced seat . She puts her on the lunge line and has her work on the exercises and also she has been doing no stirrup work . Now my daughter really wants to canter but her instructor doesnt feel that she is ready until she can sit and post the trot with out stirrups in case she loses a stirrup at the canter then she will be able to balance and not fall. I think that is a wise idea....everything builds upon itself so cantering should come before jumping.
     
    12-19-2009, 08:34 PM
  #15
Trained
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My daughter has been taking english lessons for about 1 1/2 months, her trainer/instructor has been working with her with a variety of exercises to help her with a secure /balanced seat . She puts her on the lunge line and has her work on the exercises and also she has been doing no stirrup work . Now my daughter really wants to canter but her instructor doesnt feel that she is ready until she can sit and post the trot with out stirrups in case she loses a stirrup at the canter then she will be able to balance and not fall. I think that is a wise idea....everything builds upon itself so cantering should come before jumping.
Sounds to me, that you have a Coach that is definitely worth keeping! This Instructor, is definitely in it for your Daughter, and not their pocket book.

Rare to find!
     
    12-19-2009, 08:47 PM
  #16
Green Broke
^agreed! But once you find that GREAT instructor, you don't lose them!
     
    12-22-2009, 01:26 PM
  #17
Foal
I agree with the Majority that: You should have a solid grasp of what your are doing and WHY at all gaits.

And good solid seat at all 3 gaits (at least of basic position). You should be able to keep your horse underneath themselves and under control at all 3 gaits before you jump and BE COMFORTABLE at all 3 Gaits. Maybe even hand galloping).

Be able to ask for the canter correctly using the right aids and in a balanced/cadenced way.

I see so many horses with a strung out canter just running that lacks any bascule heading for a jump, so they are already off kilter when they get there. The horse then tenses up and the rider loses confidence.

If students jump before they or there horse is confident or lack balance on the flat you aren't doing you or your horse any favors going over jumps. Infact you are teaching them to jump imbalanced .

So basically: the rider should be comfortable handling ANYTHING that could happen on the flat , and know how to handle it in the correct way. Before jumping.
     
    12-23-2009, 11:05 AM
  #18
Showing
You really need to master all your ground work before you can take on any other discipline that involves more than ground work, especially if it's jumping. You really need not only that body control and a solid position but also know that you have control of your mount and all the gates. I refuse to think you have that mastered if you don't even know how to canter.

I think it's very poor training to send someone over a fence before doing so.
     
    12-23-2009, 11:42 AM
  #19
Foal
I believe you need to master flatwork (with and without stirrups), groundpoles, and two-point before you even start considering jumping.
     
    12-23-2009, 07:42 PM
  #20
Foal
I don't think its an awful thing I did crossrails before I cantered. Well I think I cantered once before but it was awful so I don't count it. Also some people are more comfortable doing different things then the same thing all the time.
     

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