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    04-02-2010, 10:31 PM
  #41
Trained
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Originally Posted by MIEventer    

Because see, people were jumping exceptionally well, eons before Hunters was even created - in form FAR FROM what we see in the Hunter Ring today.

Lets go back to the creation of Hunters - which is only found in North America *so what, all those riders in GB and other countries who don't ride Hunters...aren't jumping safe?* derived from Fox Hunting. Majority of Eventers, were Fox Hunters and from the Millitary.
first of all im not talking about the 'posing' you see in the ring today, im talking about good solid hunter position. And you just made my point.. good eventers, fox hunters, & military riding = hunter riding.

Im not saying if you don't do hunters you suck at riding. Im saying its stupid to say we don't have time to look like 'hunters.' like 'hunters' a dirty word... good hunter position is one in the same as good hunting, eventing, military position, good 'hunter' position is good jumping position.
     
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    04-02-2010, 10:33 PM
  #42
Trained
Also, if you unbalanced in any way you are making your horses job harder, it doesnt matter who you are or how high you jump. No one is perfect, that is impossible, but it is a fact that if you arent in perfect timing with your horse you are in their way. And it can also be dangerous especially if you are on cross country.
     
    04-02-2010, 10:50 PM
  #43
Weanling
I don't get this "hunter position" thing, a jumping position is a jumping position good or bad, it just seems to me that the eventers have different technique over xc jumps that are also used in the show jumping ring. I notice that eventers stay closer to the seat and not so far up the horses neck as other riders that jump, so they stay flatter and closer to the horse's centre of balance to stay on no matter what happens up to the jump, the xc jumps aren't so straight forward that you can say "there's the same perfect ground line like every other jump" that you can predict the horses style over the jump every time, yes it is the riders job to ride the horse correctly to the jump but sometimes there are changes in circumstances as you approach each jump. Show jumping/stadium/hunter jumping, there's no uniform way to jump, each horse and rider combination is different but as long as the basics are there and the rider isn't interfering with the horse and you live to tell the tale, then why all the debacle ??
     
    04-02-2010, 10:59 PM
  #44
Trained
^^
While yes some pairs balance differently from others, there are some ways of riding that are better & more effective than others. It does also depend on the approach, landing, away, & nature of the obstacle.

People also tend to have something against hunters & hunter riders. Good position is good position no matter what jumps are under you. Some times that means being a bit behind the motion or ahead. That does not mean that because xc is hard or different, that people who event have an excuse to ride like poop...
     
    04-02-2010, 11:18 PM
  #45
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
i don't think being an eventer is a good excuse to have bad position. Yes sometimes you ride behind the motion, but you still have to have a good base. Bad position is not only dangerous, but ineffective.
Are you sure you know what bad XC position is? You can't judge it the same as someone riding in a perfectly flat, groomed sand ring. They are riding up and down steep hill (VERY different position), Down sheer drop banks (very different jumping position) into water (VERY different jumping position)....I could go on.

Dangerous is trying to use HJ positioning while jumping huge immovable jumps on varied terrain at a gallop.
     
    04-02-2010, 11:21 PM
  #46
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
good hunter position is just plain good position no matter what discipline you do ! Not caring about having 'perfect hunter' position is not caring about you and your horses safety imo. If your position is poor, you are not functional period. You are also getting in your horses way.
Hmmm...read my above post. HJ position and XC position are apples and oranges.
     
    04-02-2010, 11:26 PM
  #47
Trained
^^ im not saying to use "hj" position on XC ... I REPEAT THAT IS NOT WHAT IM SAYING AT ALL........ if you read my post I said you DO sometimes have to be behind the motion etc.. but that doesnt mean you can ride like poop, have a swinging leg, & just go by the seat of your pants the whole time. You have to have a solid base to work with & be balanced.

And yes you can compare someone jumping on flat ground to someone jumping on a slope. It can be incredibly obvious if someone has weak position or strong position at a technical fence.

Believe it or not I have jumped on steep slopes & down big banks, I KNOW it is different. I have also ridden in the hunters & know that most eventers could learn a thing or two from them. Not only to apply to SJ but XC as well.
     
    04-02-2010, 11:27 PM
  #48
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Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
first of all im not talking about the 'posing' you see in the ring today, im talking about good solid hunter position. And you just made my point.. good eventers, fox hunters, & military riding = hunter riding.

Im not saying if you don't do hunters you suck at riding. Im saying its stupid to say we don't have time to look like 'hunters.' like 'hunters' a dirty word... good hunter position is one in the same as good hunting, eventing, military position, good 'hunter' position is good jumping position.
Child, you need to come take a cross country jumping lesson from me. I'll give you a free one. It will show you the tremendous difference between jumping nice flat perfectly strided courses in a ring and galloping up and down steep hills with jumps, banks, water, ditches, coffins.......

If you stay on, you will revise your opinions, IMHO.

BTW, Yes, eventers CAN learn from HJ riders. I have.
     
    04-02-2010, 11:29 PM
  #49
Trained
^^ I don't think you are correctly hearing what I am saying...
     
    04-02-2010, 11:32 PM
  #50
Trained
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Dangerous is trying to use HJ positioning while jumping huge immovable jumps on varied terrain at a gallop.
Exactly!
     

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