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post #11 of 25 Old 11-14-2013, 12:17 PM
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Jaydee - I reread the OP and realized there was a question if hunters riders sit to a fence. I was answering the question, which is yes- some do.
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The reason why they sit into a fence is so that they can use their seat to push the horse forward or, by bracing their back gather the horse to shorten a stride.
If you watch you will also see that they come back into the saddle as the horse is coming down from the apex of the fence, again this is so that their seat is ready to drive or collect a horse.

With sitting into the saddle into and on landing from a fence, it is also far, far safer for the rider because they are not in front of the movement so, if the horse does refuse, run out or peck on landing, the rider is not already halfway out the saddle as you are by remaining in two point right through the approach, take off, jump and landing.

I have never understood the US Hunter Jumper classes where nearly all keep in the two point all the time. If any of the riders ever followed Foxhounds then they would not stand an earthly of staying on a horse of there was a drop fence or the horse made a mistake.
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I have never understood the US Hunter Jumper classes where nearly all keep in the two point all the time. If any of the riders ever followed Foxhounds then they would not stand an earthly of staying on a horse of there was a drop fence or the horse made a mistake.
There is no such thing as a Hunter Jumper Class in the US. It is either a Hunter Class or a Jumper Class and they have different judging criteria. Show hunters and Foxhunters are not expected to do the same job either, although some may cross over between disciplines. I know when I have ridden hunters, jumpers, dressage or foxhunted, I adapt my riding style for appropriate discipline.
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I stand corrected but still stick by what I said, to keep two point all the way around a course is not a good thing should anything untoward happen.

It is perfectly possible to adopt a very backward seat and slip the reins so as not to sock the horse in the mouth. Watch the top even riders going down a drop or into water or Steeplechase riders, they know what is safe.
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I don't get the whole US Hunter class either - you are not on your own Foxhunter!!! I've actually seen classes referred too as 'hunter jumper' so its easy to be confused
I was thrown by the fact that the OP posted video's of showjumpers but last year we watched a clinic for 'hunters over fences' where the trainer had them all sit down between the fences and push the horses over a set of jumps that they were previously knocking down and every horse then went clear.
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I don't get the whole US Hunter class either - you are not on your own Foxhunter!!! I've actually seen classes referred too as 'hunter jumper' so its easy to be confused
I was thrown by the fact that the OP posted video's of showjumpers but last year we watched a clinic for 'hunters over fences' where the trainer had them all sit down between the fences and push the horses over a set of jumps that they were previously knocking down and every horse then went clear.
As I've said, SOME riders will get in a two point for the whole course. Some riders will sit. It is useful to know how to do both, and neither is dangerous if done properly.

I'm not sure why it is so difficult to understand that show hunters and fox hunters in the US are different. Basketball and baseball are different but each use a ball.
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I agree it really does look wrong when riders two point the whole course. Sitting up allows you to push your horse into the fence with much more control. If you're approaching a fence in two point you're putting your weight on the horse's front end, putting it on the forehand and making it harder for the horse to get up and clear the fence (more important for jumping bigger courses). Also if the horse stops and you're already in two point you're likely to be on the floor
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As I've said, SOME riders will get in a two point for the whole course. Some riders will sit. It is useful to know how to do both, and neither is dangerous if done properly.

I'm not sure why it is so difficult to understand that show hunters and fox hunters in the US are different. Basketball and baseball are different but each use a ball.
It's not that it's difficult to understand the difference between the two classes that you have. It's that it is difficult to understand the original reasoning behind the show hunters class as the riding has no relevance in hunting. You would not ride like that out hunting. So why is it a "hunter" class?
It's just strange for UK people that's all!

E.g. This is a typical what we call working hunter round in UK. The only two point is over the fence
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Stilton has pretty much explained why we UK people don't understand the US Hunters - its because when we think of a hunter class its all about judging a horse that could do a days hunting - so type and conformation come into it a lot and the style of jumping and the way the horse is put at the fences & ridden at them has to be the same as you'd expect to see out in the 'real time' hunting field
While riding in 2 point all the time isn't a real risk in an arena situation when you're actually approaching a jump in a muddy field that you have maybe never seen before you really don't want to take the risk of not being able to push your horse at it or of getting thrown out of the front door if he does decide to put in stop - so in the show hunting ring in the UK the riders are expected to emulate that seat and at least look as if they know what actual hunting is like
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Since this is turning into a UK vs. US hunter thread I'm backing out.
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