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post #11 of 27 Old 07-08-2010, 03:58 PM
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Nope, and I wasn't saying you did. =] Not looking to argue or accuse whatsoever. Just trying to say that the top riders generally still ride under someone, and do listen to their coaches. Saying that someone can do something incorrectly just because they're on top isn't a very good blanket statement, IMO, because doing something incorrectly is both dangerous to the horse and rider team, as well as sets a poor example. I also know that some riders move up the levels when they aren't ready; I'm sure we've all seen or heard of someone who tears around a jump course unsafely. Like eventerwannabe said, just because they do it doesn't mean everyone should.
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post #12 of 27 Old 07-08-2010, 04:24 PM
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It's not correct to look down, especially not as much as that rider is. But I see upper level riders ride incorrectly all the time. They're usually all over the place in the air. They get the job done but sometimes it's not pretty. Especially in eventing. He is looking down to see if he knocked the rail but he should NOT be doing that.
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post #13 of 27 Old 07-08-2010, 04:46 PM
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Well I think the elite of any sport are so good at what they do they can bend the rules without compromising the outcome. Take a look at other sports, for example tennis: How many tennis players serve textbook style? Not many. Golf: Do all top level golfers have the same textbook swing? Unlikely. However, they have devoted many many years of training and learning to come up with a style that allows them to win.

So yes, all of us riders in the learning stages (whether we class ourselves as beginners or advanced) should abide by the textbooks until we are so good that we know whether certain rules can be broken and when it is appropiate.

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post #14 of 27 Old 07-08-2010, 05:37 PM
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a slightly different take might be that they're not being judged & they're actually looking at/for something. I'd bet they know they shouldn't look down but are purposefully doing it. (maybe even at the photographers request.)

There was a clinic we were just at where - after one free warning - the instructor would make you walk a lap around the arena if you were looking down over the jump, THEN, if you did it again - you did the lap again carrying your saddle!
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post #15 of 27 Old 07-08-2010, 05:56 PM
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It's a horrible habit called Ducking - but as stated, I'm not one to question Upper Level Riders. My bug though, is that lower level riders look up to upper level riders, and see these bad habits and then mimic them without understanding why, how or when.

Top Level Riders spend many hours in the saddle, riding many different horses, many who aren't even theirs. Their paycheque is not only riding others horses who are paying them to do so, but also to win. You make a name for yourself, you're going to go somewhere in the sport, as a rider, trainer, coach, competator. So, these riders have to do what they have to do, to get their jobs done, so that they can get that "cha-ching" at the end of the month.

Also, many of these top level riders, spend hours doing dressage and establishing their seat, their cores and their balance, where lower level riders don't even come close to compareing to, so then we see lower level riders going around mimicking what they see, without the same impecable seats, cores and balance. Without understanding the building of the foundation needed.

They can get away with what "we" would call poor form over fences, because they have the essential building blocks to make them functional and successful at those levels.

They are also riding big and powerful mounts, who are bred to jump those heights at those speeds.

I say, if one wants a GP Rider to look up to for "Form" would be Beezie Madden. She's pretty solid.

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post #16 of 27 Old 07-14-2010, 07:49 PM
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Also people look down in mid air to try and see which lead the horse will land on. But for many it is a bad habit that they were allowed to get away with now that they are professionals.

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post #17 of 27 Old 07-16-2010, 08:40 PM
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MIE is right. These riders are impecibaly fit. They can stay on the horse centered in the saddle with no leg at all. Pure athleticism. That's why I work my core and seat so much. Sometimes the photographer will catch them in a glance to see if they hit a rail. I can bet you anything half a second later she's looking up to where she needs to go.

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post #18 of 27 Old 07-16-2010, 09:34 PM
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Id say what everyone else said, checking if the rail fell but looking down is a bad habbit because when you move your whle head down it changes your whole weight and slows the horse down...
I never get why people loook down or to the side either, always straight ahha

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post #19 of 27 Old 07-25-2010, 08:44 PM
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I thinks its to see if the horse is going to knock the jump
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post #20 of 27 Old 07-25-2010, 09:19 PM
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I don't understand why they would be looking down to see if they are hitting a rail or getting a lead...it just doesnt make sense... there really isnt time & doesnt the jump look blurry anyways ? Once you are that far over the fence you arent going to be able to do much about your horses jump, besides not bump them in the back & cause a rail to fall....

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