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post #11 of 17 Old 05-19-2009, 10:59 PM
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I think all she's saying is that her horse, just like mine, gets a little happy about jumping and thus leans into the bit a little more than usual. Anytime I want to get my horse in front of my leg, I just pop him over a few fences and then go back to flat work. Boom - impulsion. It's fantastic. Same with riding in open spaces. He has the most beautiful extended trot when we're out on trails. Heaven forbid he do it in front of judges in a ring. Yes, she does need to address the situation when her horse gets heavy in the bit, but I don't think it's fair to assume she's riding front to back. I think she's in the same spot that most of us with off track horses have been, finding that sometimes elusive middle ground when our horse's have different ideas than we do.
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post #12 of 17 Old 05-19-2009, 11:10 PM
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When our horses take the bit, don't give it to them. When we give them something to lean into, they are going to take it - meaning, riding hands first.

I have ridden many an OTTB, and I have gone through exactly what you are talking about - and that is where Dorothy came in and showed me how to incorporate seat first. Incorporating lots of flat work, seat, legs, hands. Heck, my TB is 16/17 and a been there done that mount - and still likes to think he can make the decisions.

I then have to correct myself first, before I can correct him. Our horses reflect what we are doing in the saddle 100% of the time.

When you learn to rely on your seat, you wont have to rely so much on your hands. When you don't have to rely so much on your hands, you wont be givng your horse something to lean into.

If your horse gets heavy on the bit, physics is - your horse is on the forehand, on the muscle. Not rounded, not soft, through riders correct aids.

Training Scale - always go back to the training scale.

Rhythm, Looseness, Contact, Impulsion, Straightness, Collection.

If your horse gets heavy and leans into the bit - there is a link missing. Go back to basics.
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Whether or not it applies to every situation every time...you should never be afraid to go back to the basics. I will say that the one thing all my youth time in western events gave me was a respect for the seat. Western riders just hardly ever use their hands. That was a shocker for me when I entered the English world 4 years ago. My new horse tends to be a "bit leaner". I've stopped jumping him completely...and don't plan on doing it for another 4-6 months. We're doing flat work flat work and just for fun more flat work.
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post #14 of 17 Old 05-20-2009, 07:57 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks so much for the tips! For thoses who asked Sally is (just turned) 8 yrs old.
Also Sally does lean on the bit however I know how to correct her but part of it is MY fault for not softening as much as I should. I rode her yesterday and worked really hard on softening and she tried to lean once in the begining but I corrected her and she didnt lean again.
I totally understand on the seat thing. I have actually been working really hard at bringing my confidence up with bareback so I can have that extra contact with my seat and legs. I hope bareback will work for me, I am VERY light becauseof my age.The saddle seems to be a barier and I can control Sal much better with my seat.

Thanks for the tips, I will be riding tonight so I will work hard on my seat and softening!!!

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post #15 of 17 Old 05-25-2009, 09:51 PM
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If she wasnt use to it she might have been sore or tired try jumping her for a little while and then stop before she starts to play up or start to slowly build up her musles.

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Any updates??
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post #17 of 17 Old 06-03-2009, 10:09 PM
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Some good posts already here....

Just a few thoughts....

Does your trainer put placing poles down for you? (both before and after the jump?) What do you do AFTER the jump? What are YOU doing with your body? Does your horse thoroughly understand half halts? If so, is she responsive to them in a timely manner, or does he need additonal flatwork to fine-tune them? Has your trainer gotten on your horse? Does she have the same issues or does the horse jump quietly for her? If so, what is she doing differently, and has she shared that with you?

Can't wait to hear the updates! :)

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