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  • Pony refuse jump behavioural

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    10-30-2012, 02:22 PM
Your jumping expertise is needed :D

Hi Everyone

Have being visting the site for some time and finally decided to register today I guess I better give you some background currently im reducating a lovely 7 yr old ponyto jump. We have being at this for 3 mnths or more and have ran into a small issue of refusing. The problem is that she's starting to refuse the jump by stopping in front of the jump my reaction to this is to calmy do the jump again.

Thinking I was doing something wrong today a good friend of mine to ride her and see what happens (shes taught a 4 year old to jump this year) but susprisingly the same thing happened the pony stopped . My friend showed me this technique of wrapping my legs around the ponies belly instead of giving lil squeezes (which is what I do) when approaching the jump. My instructor has advsied that I only apply the leg aid if I feel hestitating which you don't because its at the last min she stops. Im just wondering if anyone has had simlar issues or any tips people may have. I know we can do it because when she jumps she's superb and absolute dream to ride

Please note: I have had the pony vetted, had her back and teeth checked. The saddle and briddle are not ill fitting.

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    10-31-2012, 12:15 AM
My horse Jester went through a short phase of go, go, go...nevermind. By now, it's probably habit with her and it's up to you to break that habit. You know she's going to refuse so keep your leg on, don't wait for her to stop. Jester is a very lazy horse and gets way behind my leg if I don't keep at it. I keep my legs wrapped around him, and give squeezes on the approach. Otherwise he has a tendency to suck back and either launch himself over or stop. I know he's going to do it, so I don't give him a chance by keeping my leg on him.

Make it very uncomfortable for her to refuse a jump. If she refuses, either have her take it from a standstill or back her up (don't circle or go around the jump), just back her a few steps and immediately make her go forward and over. Carry a crop if you need to. Sometimes just carrying it can make all the difference, and you don't even have to use it!
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    10-31-2012, 12:52 AM
Hard to say the cause without actually seeing things in motion.

Are you giving the pony an adequate release? Are you sitting down in the tack too soon? Are you giving the pony a good approach to the jump or just hoping she makes it over? Are you overfacing her?

If none of those are a factor you can set up a ground pole before the jump to help her out a bit. You can also place two poles on the jump in a "^" formation to make a kind of funnel into the jump. The minute you feel any kind of suck back on approach give her a strong kick forward or apply a crop. Don't let her go any other direction than forward. Even if she has to walk over the jump make her do it then praise her for her efforts.
    10-31-2012, 03:53 AM
Being honest I think the approach could be a problem as she would have lot of time to think about not doing the jump. Once you get her over it the first time shell do it again and again. I'm just confused about what to do on the approach should I
(a) ride her forwards using lil squeezes
(b) only apply the aid if I feel hesitation
(c) or wrap my legs around her belly

I've being doing a mix off all 3 of these which is prob very confusing for the pony. She is a nervous pony and I just want to give her the confidence that this isn't scary it's all ok.
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    10-31-2012, 12:30 PM
My friends arabian pony, Pie, does this. But he is half evil. Lol. Anyways, sometimes it takes more than "please... please jump... oh you didnt? Okay... lets try again." it takes a crop. And a "do it!" attitude sometimes to show the pony whose boss. Because at this rate, youve trained him that its okay to stop, because he will just get to do it again till he feels he's messed around enough. Sometimes, a wake up call is needed.
    11-01-2012, 12:54 AM
It is almost ALWAYS rider error. My previous gelding was what I like to call a "dirty stopper". So much so that it got to my head and I never trusted him to go, which instantly resulted in him slamming on the brakes all the time. I promptly sold him.
My current jumper is brave for days, which has made me brave. When he sucks back at a scary fence, I put my leg on and encourage him to go. I may even sit in the back seat a little to make sure i'm driving him, and not allowing myself to become light enough to get thrown.
To me, once the behavior of stopping like that is learned, it's there forever.
    11-01-2012, 03:37 PM
Just a lil update for you guys today I rode with a differnet attitude in that I stopped worrying about what I was doing right or wrong and started listening to what the pony was telling me and getting her to do the opposite for example she wanted to go left I made her go right and this resulted in her jumping yay us hopefully this continue on
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