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        04-13-2010, 12:37 AM
    I am by no means a 'new rider'. I've done a lot of jumping up to 2'3, we're just now, however, starting to go up to 2'6... and it's strange how those extra few inches can make such a difference.

    I was looking for opinions (and to ask about joint supplements, but I forgot ): anybody have any information on that? Is it just older horses or injured horses that typically get them, etc.) and to get some general information, but I see now that it's all opinion-based, and the opinions are all over the board.

    Right now we're jumping 3-4 days a week, however for the majority of that (as stated above) it's 30-45 minutes flatwork 15-20 minutes of over fences, typically under 2 feet, "lighter" jumping, working on getting higher once a week at most. The rest of the time it is flatwork.
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        04-13-2010, 08:20 AM
    Green Broke
    Sorry, but the truth is that you need dressage to jump. If you didn't, then why do GP jumpers do at least 3rd level dressage?if not schooling 4th level? Everything in dressage is used in jumping. Look at the dressage training pyramid and tell me that you don't use any of that in a jumping course. You go around in a stedy rythem, right? You try to be straight to jumps, right? If dressage didn't matter, then why does my trainer have me do dressage movments in our jumping courses? Dressage will build more muscle on your horse, and ou won't become an acomplished rider without it.

    As for joint supplemets, talk to your vet.
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        04-13-2010, 09:41 AM
    I used to ride dressage, but it is no longer my main focus, nor do I compete in it, nor do I train dressage often, as far as riding the tests though. I do NOT believe that, at my level, you need to be focusing a lot on dressage in order to jump, yes, the basics are something you always need to know and they are something that can be incorporated into flatwork, so in a way yes, I do do a lot of dressage- I just don't throw it all into a test.
    Perhaps I misunderstood, dressage movements and practising are, of course, required, but to actually train dressage? I disagree.
        04-13-2010, 11:51 AM
    Green Broke
    Then please explain why I, jumpig 2'7"-2'9" school some 2nd level dressage movments with my trainer? And why I school even te beginings of higher level dressage with my dressage coach? Not because I event, but because I need It to jump. Dressage isn't about just doing tests. Acctually, the only time you do a test is at a dressage show.
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        04-13-2010, 12:53 PM
    Maybe I didn't word my post in a way that was easily understood, but I do work on dressage movements, now I don't "school second level dressage" and what not, but I do use what I know of it, and occasionally work on it with a coach, I did, however, misunderstood what you meant by saying training dressage and I apologize for that.
    This, however, is NOT what I created the thread for.
        04-13-2010, 01:05 PM
    Green Broke
    Acctually, it is. You asked for how often you jumped a
    Horse, and I answered saying that you should do more dressage and then stamina work on the flat.
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        04-13-2010, 01:45 PM
    And that isn't answering the question really, it's giving an alternative, and something I already do to an extent. (:
        04-13-2010, 04:23 PM
    Green Broke
    You need basic dressage to jump. Period. Any good trainer will tell you that. Personally I do not agree with jumping that often on a consistent basis but to each their own
        04-13-2010, 06:19 PM
    I'm trying really hard not to be rude, but people, stop repeating the same thing. I've said, to clear this all up, that I DO PRACTICE BASIC DRESSAGE.
    End of story.

    Now, sorry for that little freak out.

    JOINT SUPPLEMENTS, I already got 'talk to your vet' but I'm not going to do that just yet until I get a bit more info/opinions.
        04-13-2010, 07:29 PM
    But how often do you work on dressage? GP Jumpers work on flatwork alone from 5-6 days a week, for a reason.

    Again, a horse only has so much jump in them. Again, studdies prove that jumping wears and tears, and breaks down our horses joints on landing, regardless if it is a 2'0" fence or a 5'0" fence - shock is shock, compaction is compaction.

    I can go to a Hunter/Jumper show and watch a Jumper Class. I can pin point what horse/rider team have a strong basis of dressage in their riding/training, from those who do not.

    Food for thought.


    Joint Suppliments - studdies prove that oral are not 100% accurate, nor are the ingredients always what the package states that they are.

    Oral suppliments are not the sure way to go, because orals fall under the Equine Nutrition Category, regulations, rules and inspections are not up to par. So they are far more leniant on the products on the shelves as to what they are made of, and what % of what is in them, if they are even in them.

    To make a long story short - Orals can be a waste of money.

    The only sure way to go, are Intramuscular Injections, because they fall under the Medical Category. Which means that the rules, regulations and inspections and studdies are 100$ accurate because that category is far more strict. So that means, what you are putting into your horse, is exactly what the product claims it is and does.

    Glucosamine IM's, Adequan, Legend.

    Then come the most expensive, Joint Injections. These run to about $400 or more per injection, and should only be used on horses who are fully examined and xray'd by a veterarian that shows that the horse definitely does need these.

    My guy is 20, turning 21 this month and he is on IM's. He is on Adequan now, was on Glucosamine but it wasn't enough.

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