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    09-27-2011, 05:04 PM
Question AZ Horses need our help!!

Hi There All !!!

Pleeeeeeease read.
I am desperate to help these and many more horses in the State of Arizona.

I thank you for your time in advance. (I apologize for any spelling errors as well.)

For a couple years now I have had to drive by this awful scene just off the 303 freeway. Not more than 100 yards off this freeway are what appear to be several open - air stalls. These stalls are made of metal (or rusted metal). They are all connected to one another in a line and consistantly hold horses, miniature horses, foals and colts.
These stalls have NEVER been covered / shaded which has to be completely unbearable for any horse that has had to stand our there.

Arizona gets 100 - 115 degree temps! We are in the middle of a dessert for goodness sake! Just being out in 90 degree temps. Without shade is miserable for a human (When you open the door of your home to the outside it is JUST like opening your oven door to pull out your well cooked dinner. A blast of heat hits you and you instantly start to sweat from head to toe and these horses are stuck out in this all day and night. Yes, night too. Our lows at night are commonly 90+ degrees.) and these folks have never made any attempt to alleviate the suffering of these poor animals.

Not only does Arizona get the high temperatures, but we get some Mean Monsoon's as well. Lightning strikes everywhere and constant. Large raindrops that are hard hitting and blow in from all sides, even HUGE HAIL falls from time to time (damaging cars and taking out car windows, etc...). Sand storms are very common and Dust Devels too (small to large tornadoes of dirt, dust and debris). And coyoties are in abundance in this open desert area. A horse would have no protection and no where to run from these desperate predators. A foal or colt would certainly be in danger.

These horses are also very close to a power grid and, too many to count, HUGE towering metal Power lines several stories high!

These horses and foals and colts could DIE from heat exhaustion and can get sunburn so easily if they have any white coloring, which
I have seen many paints in those stalls.

These people even have an uncovered stall that they have built approx. 20 feet from the edge of the freeway for those horses and foals and colts that they want to display "for-sale."

So, now these horses are subjected to road dust and debris every time a car or truck goes by AND any abuse that a passing driver may want to cause to the animals.

I have contacted the Humane-Society. I have contacted the state and they have informed me that "There is no law that requires these animals to have shade." Are you kidding me???? Why not????

California law requires that all animals have shade and shelter, so why not Arizona????
(I would love to see our state reps. Stand in that heat for 1 hour in the middle of Summer without shade/shelter or sun lotion and hear what they have to say about having to drink hot water out of a metal tub!)

I have not been proud to live in Arizona for many years now and desperately wish I had the money to move my family and I and this is just one of many reasons why.

This issue needs to be resolved immediately.

How do we make a law that shelter and shade be required/mandatory in Arizona before more deaths occur due to human neglegence.
Shelter/shade for any animal should actually be common sence to tell you the truth.

Where do I/We begin to help these poor animals??
What can be done??
How can I/We stop this rediculous cruelty from continuing???

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    09-27-2011, 05:28 PM
So how many of these horses have you personally seen that have actually died?
    09-28-2011, 06:39 AM
AL, from my understanding if you start a petition and get certain number of signatures under it, you can then submit to the governor for consideration. I believe something similar was done in past here in MD. However I also remember number of signatures was something quite ridiculous (measured in thousands).

If you are concerned and the situation indeed is very bad you can try to involve local rescues and TV/radio to bring the situation to the people attention.
    09-28-2011, 01:03 PM
"I have not been proud to live in Arizona for many years now..."

Well, I live here and am proud of my state. My horses use their shades for shelter from rain & snow. Most of the afternoon, they are out in the sun by their own choice.

California law is written in California, where they regulate everything to death. Having lived in Tehachapi, I think most of the state is fine, but SF & LA control the politics - emphasis on CONTROL!

Do I think all horses should have some sort of shelter? Yes. Do I think I need to pass laws to make it so? No.

BTW: "Cost of Education may be high, but try ignorance!"

In my 53 years, I've seen no sign that formal education reduces ignorance. I think the $4500 I'm paying in property taxes this year is PLENTY. That is 1/12 of my income going almost exclusively to schools in Arizona, and it doesn't include the extra $300 I have to pay each year for fire protection. It also doesn't include my state income tax. Consider me Taxed Enough Already...and Mia agrees.

She has to. Otherwise, no hay!

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    09-29-2011, 02:21 PM
Originally Posted by bsms    
I think the $4500 I'm paying in property taxes this year is PLENTY.
****! How many acres do you have?? I always thought AZ is pretty cheap state when it comes to land...
    09-29-2011, 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
****! How many acres do you have?? I always thought AZ is pretty cheap state when it comes to land...
It depends on where you live, KV. Down by Phoenix and Tucson (in the cities), the property taxes are WAY higher than they are up north (about an hour and a half south of Flagstaff and two hours north of Phoenix) where I live.
    09-29-2011, 04:51 PM
I know of these horse's the OP posted and have seen them too many time's to count... and NO ! I dislike that our Animal Control does not cover this or ski's for hooves as well...... as long as there is hay and water, the owner is doing thier job to care for these horse's. And yes, I have called them in as well... and no, I have not seen dead livestock, but it is hard to tell if they are laying down if they are resting or dead... actually not to long ago, that rancher's hand was killed checking the fence line, by an auto that honked and the AVT he was riding hit a cattle guard skidded out of control, wasn't pretty, nice young fella...but that gives you the idea of how close some of these pen are to the road...I too am not proud of how horse's are taken care of in this state...but horse's are not the only one's suffering... all animal's and it's only going to get worse..sadly It's very hard to turn a blind eye.

Taxes, well I'm in the Mtg industry and I have a 2 acre lot and we pay less than 900 yearly , and I live in N.
Phx...I can say I have never seen taxes as high as $4500.00, but, then again, I do not do commerical loan's...if you have a lot acreage.
    09-29-2011, 08:30 PM

My check for nearly $2200 covered the first half of this year's property taxes. My house is valued at under $250K ($2500/year), and I have two acres nearby where we hope to someday build a house ($1800 per year). The local schools get most of the money. And yes, fire protection costs extra, on top of the property taxes and state income tax.

I just checked Pima County's website, and my sister's house on the east side of Tucson - the house we grew up in, built in 1970 - is assessed at $130K. Her tax bill was $1,763.27 this year ($881.63/half). So in proportion, I'm paying less than the folks in Tucson, I guess...for my house alone. The two acres I want to build on are taxed at a higher rate.

Pima County has high property taxes. It also has twice the debt of all the other counties in Arizona combined. I would cry for joy to only pay $900/year in property taxes!


I think all horses should have shade and shelter. However, I don't think they will die without it. My gelding was from a ranch in Utah. Any shelter was from trees, and there were not many of them. It hits 100 in Utah too, and drops to well below zero.
    09-29-2011, 09:12 PM
Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
****! How many acres do you have?? I always thought AZ is pretty cheap state when it comes to land...
Here is an example. I don't know who owns the house, but it is one we looked at buying once some years back so I've been inside. It is an older home, not all that well cared for but in a quiet neighborhood. It is in Corona de Tucson, about 20 miles south of Tucson. It has 1900 sq ft, on 0.25 acres IIRC.

In Sept 2010, it sold for $110K. The asking price was $150K when we looked at it, which is why it was on the market for over a year. The assessed value for 2011 was $156,276 and will drop to $130,666 in 2012. I feel like I ought to mail them a letter on how to challenge their tax assessment, since property values have declined at least 10% since they bought the house - it would probably assess at $100K if they challenged it.

For 2010, their annual property tax was $2,185.39. For 2011, it has dropped to $1,972.18. This on a house they bought for $110K in Sept 2010. That makes the amount I'm paying seem small in comparison, but they may not actually know how much they pay each year - lots of folks don't know if it is part of their mortgage. If they would challenge it, they could get their taxes and monthly payment lower. By lower, I mean down to around $1400/year - if their challenge was approved.

So no, Arizona doesn't have low property taxes. Each county varies, and Pima has uncommonly high taxes because the voters keep voting for more and more spending - mostly on schools. Frankly, I think nearly $2000 on a house that sold for 110K (and is assessed at 150K) is outrageous!

I also was shocked to see that my sister is paying over $1700/year on a house assessed at $130K inside Tucson. IIRC, it is on a 0.17 acre lot!
    09-29-2011, 09:23 PM
Aerial photo of my sister's palace (40+ years old, 1700 sq ft):

I suppose it IS half of a corner lot...but that qualifies for nearly $1800 in property taxes in Pima County!

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