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        11-11-2013, 09:23 AM
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    He is turned out. He is only stalled in bad weather.

    We also longe him first.
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        11-11-2013, 10:06 AM
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    That was going to be my next suggestion as I've had a few young horses that benefited for a short session on the lunge before riding - seems to focus them
    It could just be that he feels you a bit tense when you first go to get on and then the same in the saddle and it has a negative effect on him
    My old Flo was very 'buzzy' when you first got on for the first 10 years of her life but I knew she would never do anything I couldn't handle and so it never bothered me
    You might find as you get more self confidence in Obie none of his antics will bother you and they will slowly fade away
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        11-11-2013, 08:26 PM
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    Yeah, I thought of that, too, except he does the same thing for my trainer. It's really NOT a big deal... no "real" bucks, just humps his back and gets over it quickly. It's just this strange mental block... It's like psych myself out.
         
        11-12-2013, 09:14 AM
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    The humpy back bucks can sometimes be related to a dislike of the feeling of the girth putting pressure on them - usually gets better when they're ridden regularly and they get used to it. Willow is a real PITA when she has any time off. Looby used to get a bit like it especially in canter but that all stopped when I bought a sheepskin lined girth
         
        11-14-2013, 10:39 PM
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    He's getting massaged tomorrow so we'll see if that helps any. The girth idea is interesting. Right now he's being ridden in a western saddle and an airflex cinch. Once Helen gets more confident on him, she'll ride him in her dressage saddle (she tried it on him and it fits) so we will see if that makes any difference.

    He actually was pretty good at the canter before the time off for the cut. My trainer hasn't cantered since then because the focus was getting me on him.

    I haven't gotten any inquiries on him since I listed him on Craigslist and equine.com. Got a few bites on Facebook, but mostly purple looking for a gamer or a quiet trail horse. He could do well on the trails but we haven't taken him out yet. I don't see him as a gamer at all.
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        11-14-2013, 10:48 PM
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    I'm still not totally convinced it isn't the saddle. It appears to fit and my trainer thinks it fits, but it has a tendency to ride up (he's got a big shoulder). We always have to loosen the cinch and slide it back after lunging. None of the other Westerns seem to fit him any better, though, and I don't have the confidence to ride him English (heck I'm not even riding him western at this point).

    I'll try to get some pics of the saddle on him without a pad tomorrow. If I end up keeping him I'm going to get a saddle fitter out before I buy an English/dressage saddle.
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        11-14-2013, 11:02 PM
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    You'd be better off in an English saddle that fit, and thus didn't encourage him humping/bucking, than a Western that doesn't fit, and may likely be the reason he does that.
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        11-15-2013, 09:24 AM
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    It could well be a saddle thing
    Honestly horses are so weird and some are just super sensitive to the slightest pinch.
    Looby has a sheepskin numnah (UK name for a saddle shaped pad) and the sheepskin lined girth. Anything else and she is so edgy and tense that the smallest thing would set her off into an explosion. I tried her in a thick square saddle pad and she hated the feel of that on her back and was all humped up before I even got her out of the stable
    We put a synthetic sheepskin pad on Jazzie when we first got her, she totally freaked out and I did an emergency dismount yet I'd used the same pad on other horses with no trouble at all
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        11-15-2013, 08:03 PM
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    Well, Obie was most definitely sore in the back when he was massaged today. Mostly in the ribs and shoulders. You could see the "aaaaahh" relaxing moment when the kinks got worked out. At the end of the massage, he wasn't flinching at all.

    I had the massage guy look at my saddle fit and he thinks it's pinching/not allowing enough room for the shoulders. Obie has a really big shoulder! I totally forgot to get saddle pics to post, though.

    My trainer really doesn't want me to ride him in an English yet (and I agree... I'm nervous enough as it is!) and when I DO buy an English saddle, I want to do it right and get a fitter out. On the other hand, I don't want to spend the money on a custom saddle for a horse I have up for sale. My plan is to look for a Western saddle that fits him better. I'm considering trying a gaited saddle since those tend to have more room for the shoulder.

    Thoughts?
         
        11-16-2013, 11:15 AM
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    I have two very wide cobs and have no problems finding saddles for them - but I did buy them in the UK - the land of big wide cobs!!!
    I would suggest buying from a UK company that sells over here through someone
    If you have good balance and buy a good English saddle then no reason to feel unsafe at all - work on doing some riding on that pony with your arms folded or outstretched
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