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    11-18-2013, 09:14 AM
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When I started taking Snickers off of her high fat diet, she became extremely cranky. So much so that I didn't recognize her attitude. Very scary, different horse, but understandable. I was leading her, asked her for a trot to check her legs, and she was resistant and bit my arm! She was also doing a lot of kicking at her belly and more nuzzling of her barrel than usual. She is very sensitive, wanting me to rub and scratch her all around her barrel and belly.

I hadn't been able to work her for a few days, not that she could do much anyway since her relapse. Her attitude was much better and seemed back to normal. I decided yesterday to take her on a trail ride, at the walk only, and ready to get off at any time to lead her. She seemed fine. The junk in her trunk was maybe a little more exaggerated and loose, so we took it slow on the two inclines we faced. She seemed to adjust her hind end along the way, not unusual, just a little more often maybe. We only walked, so I did not see her trot or canter yesterday.

I am interested in putting up their Freedom Feeder nets and try and get them to slow their eating down and eat more all day. I'm wondering how the glucose ups and down may be a part of this.
     
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    11-18-2013, 11:38 AM
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My guess would be that a stay flow would guarantee steady availability for the muscles to utilize vs. ups and downs due to a feeding schedule, where she ends on empty for some time between feedings. Like I said, my best guess.....
     
    11-20-2013, 12:34 AM
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Girls are all moved into their new paddock. Just waiting on the Freedom Feeder nets in the mail for their hay.

Since I wasn't aware about the iron being so high in CA, I never paid attention to iron. So, who knows how much extra I have been feeding mine with their feed AND the nice himalayan salt lick and natural mineral salt lick I bought for them. Would never have even thought about iron in them too! So, I've been pretty much ODing my horses on iron.

I read a quote from Dr. Kellon saying the following about iron toxicity:

"The outwardly obvious symptoms {of iron overload} are often caused by secondary deficiencies of copper and zinc, compounded in many cases by actual primary deficiencies too. Bleaching of coats/manes/tails, "rings" of light colored hair around the eyes of horses with dark faces, low grade chronic skin problems, easy loss of hair under areas in contact with tack, unexplained (by level of work) joint fillings or tendon and ligament insertion site problems (e.g. High suspensory, sesamoiditis, extensor process proliferations, calcifications at insertion sites of the distal sesamoidean ligaments, collateral ligament calcifications, ringbone with no obvious conformational or trim cause), poor hoof quality and white line issues, exaggerated inflammatory responses to minor injuries. If you have all of these rolled into one horse, be highly suspicious--I've seen this. The individual problems though can have other causes. If you really want to know, test."

I am curious to see if Snicker's mid-line 'sweet itch' goes away once her iron levels go down.

Ordered the min/vit supplement today. Takes about two weeks.
     
    11-20-2013, 01:31 AM
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Apparently it's not only iron what is responsible for sweet itch, it's a general mineral imbalance and too rich feed. Sweet itch occurs mainly on so called robust breeds.... ponies, some drafts, Arabians, all those with origin with poor vegetation. So,I think feeding them" simple" is already if big help. The two I had improved greatly when fed nothing processed, very little grain, and had the possibility to stay away from the bugs dusk and dawn. Greatly means from no mane and tail to full mane and tail within one year.
     
    11-20-2013, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
Apparently it's not only iron what is responsible for sweet itch, it's a general mineral imbalance and too rich feed. Sweet itch occurs mainly on so called robust breeds.... ponies, some drafts, Arabians, all those with origin with poor vegetation. So,I think feeding them" simple" is already if big help. The two I had improved greatly when fed nothing processed, very little grain, and had the possibility to stay away from the bugs dusk and dawn. Greatly means from no mane and tail to full mane and tail within one year.
Awesome....I hope this getting their diet straight helps. Funny, she came from this place that was horribly run down and gross and wasn't fed anything special. I really don't remember the sweet itch....I could be wrong, and just wasn't paying attention, but I don't remember it as bad. In Lemoore, we had a very bad problem with several horses, a few of them much worse than mine. We thought maybe neck thread worms. But nothing ever worked. Then we thought all the crop duster chemicals. A couple of those horses moved away, and their problem disappeared. Snickers isn't as bad now, but it's bad enough. Only time will tell now.
     
    11-20-2013, 10:35 AM
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Well, the itch is triggered by the saliva of the gnats,. Which are most active dusk and dawn, and like a certain environment also. My one mare came from pasture on a creek, was always very round in summer and rather thin in winter. No bugs in winter there,so.... The other one from flat open land, but also water nearby and not kept clean, and rather tight with hay and grass, but generous with sweet feed, because she was constantly pregnant and/ or lactating. Both had dark sheds available, just like they had at my place.
You will no by next summer, if there is a change with the itch.
     
    11-20-2013, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
Well, the itch is triggered by the saliva of the gnats,. Which are most active dusk and dawn, and like a certain environment also. My one mare came from pasture on a creek, was always very round in summer and rather thin in winter. No bugs in winter there,so.... The other one from flat open land, but also water nearby and not kept clean, and rather tight with hay and grass, but generous with sweet feed, because she was constantly pregnant and/ or lactating. Both had dark sheds available, just like they had at my place.
You will no by next summer, if there is a change with the itch.
Yep, we will see, all I can do. Funny though, sometimes I think Snickers was healthier, despite where she came from, before I adopted her and stuffed her with all this stuff!! Lol.
     
    11-21-2013, 02:06 AM
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Not so far fetched.... hubby keeps saying that about my IR horse, too.... two flakes of oat hay a day...., slim and trim, but certainly no IR....
     
    11-23-2013, 09:59 PM
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Soooooo, new farrier came out today....poor thing, she tried so hard with Belle. But, she is simply scared of her and not strong enough to trim her. If it wasn't for my friend Maren there to direct her and help her....it never would have happend. Just getting the two shoes off took forever. But, she is done and I'm very happy.

Snickers is easy, her feet are easy.

Needless to say, I will, for sure, be doing my own trimming now.
     
    11-23-2013, 10:49 PM
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Awesome article written by Pete Ramey....

http://www.all-natural-horse-care.co...g-the-hoof.pdf
     

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