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        07-12-2014, 02:21 PM
      #141
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    Is he's in pain from just walking, then his daily life will be pain, too. However, I think Cinny meant that the level of discomfort is much less when only walking, and I think that is all that is required for competitive trail. Do you mean the one where they do manmade obstacles , in an arena . What's the right name? Not the one where you ride out for long distances AND do obstacles

    But, its not just being able to walk that's needed, but the kind of mind and trainability to get them to go over and through obstacles and stay calm and thoughtful in the process.
         
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        07-13-2014, 03:46 PM
      #142
    Green Broke
    I mean the one where they walk around an arena and do obstacles. Like this one..


    I have already talked to his vet about what he can do and what he can't do. He says typical arena trail competitions would be GOOD for him as it will keep his brain working and keep his joints working without really straining them as long as I DON'T ask for collection, frame, etc. Just go back to neck reining and let him carry himself however he is comfortable carrying himself.

    He is NOT in constant pain, and not always in pain when riding. What causes the pain is asking him to do a lot of work collected and to have impulsion from the hind. He is to be ridden, preferably at a walk with only short bursts of trot and canter holding himself however he is most comfortable and not "pushing" him. Basically be a trail/play horse. The more he is exercised the less pain he will be in, as long as I follow the rules of not asking to collect and use his hind end so much. It's kind of opposite everything we have been doing, but it's what he has done for himself all along.
         
        07-13-2014, 07:21 PM
      #143
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
    I mean the one where they walk around an arena and do obstacles. Like this one..

    Extreme Trail Challenge at Everything Equine - YouTube

    I have already talked to his vet about what he can do and what he can't do. He says typical arena trail competitions would be GOOD for him as it will keep his brain working and keep his joints working without really straining them as long as I DON'T ask for collection, frame, etc. Just go back to neck reining and let him carry himself however he is comfortable carrying himself.

    He is NOT in constant pain, and not always in pain when riding. What causes the pain is asking him to do a lot of work collected and to have impulsion from the hind. He is to be ridden, preferably at a walk with only short bursts of trot and canter holding himself however he is most comfortable and not "pushing" him. Basically be a trail/play horse. The more he is exercised the less pain he will be in, as long as I follow the rules of not asking to collect and use his hind end so much. It's kind of opposite everything we have been doing, but it's what he has done for himself all along.

    I'm sorry that things aren't going to work out as planned with Cinny, but I'm glad you both found something you can do together. He's lucky to have an owner that loves him like you do. I've done obstacle trail for years, and I really love it. It's very challenging, and horse and rider really do have to communicate well to be successful. I think you and Cinny will have a lot of fun with it! Despite the fact that it's not fast or physical it never gets boring!
         
        07-13-2014, 09:01 PM
      #144
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
    He is NOT in constant pain, and not always in pain when riding. What causes the pain is asking him to do a lot of work collected and to have impulsion from the hind. He is to be ridden, preferably at a walk with only short bursts of trot and canter holding himself however he is most comfortable and not "pushing" him. Basically be a trail/play horse. The more he is exercised the less pain he will be in, as long as I follow the rules of not asking to collect and use his hind end so much. It's kind of opposite everything we have been doing, but it's what he has done for himself all along.
    I am asking this not to be mean, but to understand, and out of concern for Cinny.

    How does anyone really know what sort of pain he has and when, the vet can give an opinion, but Cinny is the only one who really knows.

    AS to working in collection or frame, I'm a little confused, everything I have been taught tells me that by trying to get some collection and a more rounded frame a horse can carry a rider a lot easier, certainly easier than being strung out, having a head up and tightness in the back.

    As hard as it is when you have fought so hard and so long, are you the rider that Cinny needs? Watching the last video posted it looks like many that you have posted before, you just don't gel as a team, your needs and styles seem to be way off, doesn't make him a bad horse or you a bad rider, just not great together.

    You were on the point of selling him before the Lymes diagnoses, maybe you should revisit that point, and ask what is best for both of you at this point, maybe he needs someone else to take him along the next part of his journey? You were all for it then, finding yourself a partner who can take you along the dressage route, and a new role/home for Cinny were he can be happy as well.

    Just thinking out loud and offering an outsiders point of view.
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        07-13-2014, 10:00 PM
      #145
    Green Broke
    Golden, trust me when I say this, Cinny is not shy about communicating his pain. He can have a little itty bitty burr in his fetlock and he will throw a bucking fit over it. Remove the burr, he's happy again. Little stone bruise? He will be dead lame for a week and then milk it a few days more. When he gets his shots he grinds his teeth and bites at the vet and is a big baby about his "sore spot" for a week or more.

    As my vete/chiro explaine...rounding and going through the back actually puts more pressure on the hips. This is fine for a horse that is in excellent health, and easier for them. They have great strength back there. Cinny does not. The muscles are there but it causes more pressure/wear and tear on the joint. Vet/Chiro say that allowing him to choose how he wants to carry will allow him to choose what is most comfortable.

    As for the trail, part of why I want to start him on it is so that he will have a use and not be bored. When we move to CA we are planning on getting another horse suited for dressage too. Cinny will have a cozy life, mainly being a pet and having periodic rides, adventures, and things to keep his brain working. Most likely will be ridden primarily by my 15 year old daughter who just wants to sort of plug around on trails and have adventures to and NO LESSONS. Cinny will be able to teach her a lot.

    A lot of people don't want a horse with Cinny's issues. If I come across he right person with a nice big pasture, then that's one story but those people are few and hard to come by. Before you get started on the local rescues, they are all full and don't want a hard to adopt out horse. I've already contacted the ones in my area.

    So, the best thing to do is to find a "job" for Cinny that he can do and keep Hubby convinced that he is worth the $$ to ship from NE to CA when we move there. That is why I am looking for something Cin is able to do.

    Golden I know it's hard for you to understand, but there is really more to this than simply being able to sell him at this point. Would you buy him knowing what you know or a horse like him? Probably not....just like 99% of the population. Who wants an 11 year old with a bad/weak hind that will only get weaker? It's best to prepare for not finding him another home. It's best to find a way to get hubby on board with not just sending him to auction or something.
         
        07-14-2014, 03:29 AM
      #146
    Green Broke
    Going back to look at the ridden horse even before the treatment, the horse, as you stated above, is hardly shy about expressing his pain.

    You had issues riding him, regardless of trying frame or collection, because he was in discomfort.

    That is not a horse I would put anyone on, let alone a 15yo... and as the pain is likely to get worse.... no.

    I am very sorry to hear this, it's never nice to come to this sort of conclusion and last summer we had to be very realistic about my dad's mare with navicular. She'd had 8 years of treatment, and thousands thrown at her. She now lives in holland with a crazy spanish horse, and a highland cow getting fat. We thought we were going to have to put her down, but through word of mouth found an amazing home.

    I know it's tough, but think long and hard about it. He tried showing you he was in pain before when you were riding him. I'd retire him and let him live his days out as long as possible.
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        07-14-2014, 05:50 AM
      #147
    Weanling
    Dressage is surprisingly hard on arthritic horses. I had a mare that didn't take a lame step on steep, long (3 hours, give or take) trail rides at walk/trot with a short canter every now and then, but doing dressage 3x a week she went completely lame due to arthritis in her hocks. I ended up selling her on to a trail riding home since she was bombproof and comfortable and happy doing that. It was for the best because that was not something I could give her. I do not have the time for trail riding anymore, nor the budget for a second pasture pet.

    I am so sorry that the treatment did not work out as you had hoped. I wish the best for you and Cinny and I hope that he can be comfortable in some lighter work.
         
        07-14-2014, 01:34 PM
      #148
    Green Broke
    Keeping fingers crossed. A really nice lady that used to board at my stable (she moved because she found pasture for ALL of her herd as she had them split up at 5 different stables) just put ink on papers for property with a pasture. She is just waiting for escrow and it's hers. SHE WANTS CINNY to be part of her herd of little misfits. She is a WONDERFUL lady, Cinny already loves her and she said she bonded with Cinny when she was at my barn too. I couldn't ask for a better situation for him. I still have a "back up plan" which sadly does include convincing hubby to move him with us, but I am really really keeping my fingers crossed that escrow goes smoothly. She is pretty much one of the few people that I would just hand him over to with no feelings of doubt whatsoever.

    Everyone, cross your fingers and toes for her escrow to go great!!!
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        07-14-2014, 04:18 PM
      #149
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    

    Golden I know it's hard for you to understand, but there is really more to this than simply being able to sell him at this point. Would you buy him knowing what you know or a horse like him? Probably not....just like 99% of the population. Who wants an 11 year old with a bad/weak hind that will only get weaker? It's best to prepare for not finding him another home. It's best to find a way to get hubby on board with not just sending him to auction or something.
    Not as hard as you may think, when I was considering Bens future last year, after he drilled the first person who came to see him into the dirt like he did to me, and with her 4 kids looking on.....I really did not believe that I would find someone who would actually want to take him on, I was scared that husbands insistence that he either be shot, or get run through the auction with no warranty would have to come to pass. With patience the right person (I hope) turned up for him. I have had no updates, I have not inquired after him, I wonder if the bullet would have been a better option?

    I have also sold two horses in my life that had soundness issues, one navicular, one arthritic, both went to lovely people, where the one guy still is, and the other passed after many years. They were both sweet personalities, and went to people who just wanted to go for a walk on or with a horse sometimes. I did wonder if either of them would find a a home, but they did.

    I hope
    You lead for him works out
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        07-28-2014, 10:03 AM
      #150
    Green Broke
    Just thought I'd share another video of Cin playing yesterday. As you can see he is quite spry. There are now 2 pasture homes that want him as his temp home says they may want him as a halter/showmanship horse for their grandaughter. He is such a lucky boy.

    We also had a great little ride yesterday bareback with just his rope halter. His hip slipped once and he jumped a little but nothing major. I think with a light rider he should be great.

    Cinny vs Roping Cow - YouTube
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