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        05-05-2014, 11:01 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Deschutes    
    This makes me feel like it is an episode of House M.D.

    "Differentials, people!"
    "Lyme!"
    "Kissing spine!"
    "PPSM!"

    "Alright, let's treat the symptoms. Put him on doxycycline for six weeks and see if conditions improve. Give him happy liver, and use the pessoa system. If we are right, the exercise will keep the disease from going into remission. If we are wrong... well. It's obviously kissing spine. We'll move from there. "

    I'm half expecting a random twist in events in Cinny's case... mayhaps I watch too much House.
    Ha ha, I LOVE that show. My favorite episode, surprise diagnosis was a few years ago when the patient actually died. It turned out to be from ecoli or strep or something entering through a small sore from her stupid bra strap. A mundane everyday thing that everyone missed because they were too busy looking for something big and exotic, LOL.
         
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        05-06-2014, 10:01 AM
      #22
    Super Moderator
    I can see a marked difference in him, he's reaching forwards with his legs a lot better and looks a lot more supple in his back. He's slowly moving back to the horse you had racing around his paddock in one of your early videos
    Lymes is crippling when it attacks the joints and affects the nervous system and attitude of the horse - changing them from being kind and gentle to fractious and aggressive almost overnight so it would explain a lot of the way he'd become
    Its from the same 'family' as syphilis so it's easy to understand why it causes so much trouble
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        05-06-2014, 10:11 AM
      #23
    Green Broke
    As I am in work, I cannot view the videos.

    I am trying to think of how to put this down without sounding horrid, or blunt.. please remember I am only thinking for your horse, and your pocket.

    WHY WHY WHY has your vet not taken bloods?! If he drove an hour out, and you're paying for a serious evaluation, get him tested! You can't 'classically' diagnose Lyme's by LOOKING at a horse.

    I would look for a new vet. That is irresponsible, IMO. The fact he is willing to pump your horse with medication WHICH YOU ARE PAYING FOR, without a proper diagnosis, and is then going to xray if that doesn't work to check for KS... this guy just wants you to line his pockets!!!

    Secondly.. for a horse that has been in such bad shape as Cinny.. I would NEVER use a pessoa system. The only time I would use a pessoa is with a fit, working horse.. which Cinny currently is not!! It puts too much pressure to hold in to position, which he shouldn't be doing for five minutes.

    That is, however, just my opinion. I am glad you are making progress, but I would STRONGLY advise bloods.
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        05-06-2014, 12:25 PM
      #24
    Green Broke
    Duffy, at the time the vet was actually out to do Chiro on another horse and agreed to look at Cinny. He only had his Chiro stuff with him. He has seen and treated enough Lyme in my area for me to trust that he really knows what he is looking at. We will get bloods after a month, don't worry. But as Cinny is very quickly started to get back to himself, I'd say whatever he has, the meds are helping.

    The Pessoa is in the "low" position which they suggest for started horses, and on a very very loose setting, don't worry. Cinny is not struggling by any means, he is developing bigger muscles and more balance. My trainer is helping with the lunging and she actually thinks he can handle it set with the reins a bit shorter but I want to wait. And he only works in it every 3 days....

    As for today, we worked on canter/trot canter transitions which he was more than happy to do. He's been begging to canter for a few days now. He could only handle transitioning in and out for about 5 minutes though.

    He was very relaxed and very happy after workout :)
         
        05-06-2014, 02:07 PM
      #25
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    

    The Pessoa is in the "low" position which they suggest for started horses, and on a very very loose setting, don't worry. Cinny is not struggling by any means, he is developing bigger muscles and more balance.
    Just for clarification, I'm slow sometimes you mean that he WILL be developing good muscle, not that he already is yes?

    Not being difficult, just trying to understand, I can see that if he is feeling better and his meds are working his muscles may look different, but it will surely take weeks to develop muscles...

    OK, just typing that makes me think.....I believe that muscles are actually built up by by the tearing and healing of fibre, well so my gym rat son tells me, so he tells me off if I work out without days off inbetween, he tells me that is when a person gets sore, you have to let the developing muscle heal a little then tear some more.

    I totally understand him having to move so his meds work, I totally get trying to free him up and get him looser moving, but wouldn't muscle building as such come later on?
         
        05-06-2014, 02:08 PM
      #26
    Super Moderator
    It's quite common here for vets to prescribe Doxy without a blood test if a horse is displaying typical Lyme's symptoms - the blood tests aren't hugely reliable anyway though they seem better than the ones used to test humans
    I don't use the Pessoa system myself but Cinny looked to be going surprisingly well in it
         
        05-06-2014, 03:57 PM
      #27
    Green Broke
    His shoulders and legs are starting to have muscle "definition" lines that are more prominent and he spine is much less protruding so I am assuming it is muscle that either was already there that is being worked again or he is gaining muscle now that his body is more properly in condition. He wasn't completely out of condition when we started this, he had been being worked, he was just very slowly starting to lose muscle mass.

    I'll take some pictures and put them up with the pics I took a few weeks ago so we can all see if there is a difference with the pictures next to each other :) It could be my imagination.
         
        05-06-2014, 04:55 PM
      #28
    Super Moderator
    A friend of ours that had Lymes was all hunched up and couldn't do anything about it and one side of his face looked as if he'd had a stroke.
    He was almost back to normal after a week on medication
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        05-07-2014, 12:24 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
    Okay, here are the pictures to compare. The top one was from the beginning of April a few weeks before starting meds and the second one is today after about a week and a half of meds, there is about a month in between. I think there is a big difference but that is just my opinion.

    APRIL

    2014-04-02.jpg

    MAY

    2014-05-07.jpg
         
        05-07-2014, 12:28 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    He looks MUCH better in that second photo, especially the change in his entire posture. Looks like the meds are working!
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