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    08-28-2011, 10:19 AM
  #21
Weanling
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Originally Posted by .Delete.    
It really is amazing what you can learn just lurking around reading threads.
I agree! I've learned so much on here.


Not to be nosy or bossy, as I know I am not as experienced as you, but can't you use a whip or a lead rope tap to get Leroy moving? Or is it against the rules or something?
     
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    08-28-2011, 10:56 AM
  #22
Green Broke
This sounds like a nice program you are in. I had a lesson student that went off to college that was in a similar program, only the horses they were assigned they kept the entire program, and trained them to be police mounts. I'm very much enjoying reading about your progress.

I have a question (and please don't read this negatively, I was only curious). The video you posted of Leroy says he's been started under saddle, but reading your posts, it sounds as if you are starting him from scratch. I was wondering how much work they have done with them prior to being put in your program. Is this repeat work for him, or did whoever posted that video get ahead of themselves because they know you are working with him?
     
    08-28-2011, 02:44 PM
  #23
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by pintophile    
Not to be nosy or bossy, as I know I am not as experienced as you, but can't you use a whip or a lead rope tap to get Leroy moving? Or is it against the rules or something?
When I pull him forward I am further out on my lead rope leaning on the end of it with my weight. Imagine Leroy is tied to the wall and is pulling back against it, only I am the wall and I am pulling back against him. I am teaching him to give to pressure, for many reasons like if he was to pull back against a tie he would know to give to it instead of resist. If he takes atleast one step forward I release. Since I am out further on his lead to steer clear of getting jumped on among other things. I need to keep myself at a safe place/distance from him at all times. My body position is one of the most important things when I am working with him on the ground.

So to answer your question, I do not have a whip that long . Plus that would just cause him to move his hip and shoulder away since the whip would be along his side and not directly behind him because I am directly infront of him. If I had someone else helping me, they could use a whip to move him forward. But I usually work him by myself. Hope that helps =]
     
    08-28-2011, 02:55 PM
  #24
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by apachiedragon    
This sounds like a nice program you are in. I had a lesson student that went off to college that was in a similar program, only the horses they were assigned they kept the entire program, and trained them to be police mounts. I'm very much enjoying reading about your progress.

I have a question (and please don't read this negatively, I was only curious). The video you posted of Leroy says he's been started under saddle, but reading your posts, it sounds as if you are starting him from scratch. I was wondering how much work they have done with them prior to being put in your program. Is this repeat work for him, or did whoever posted that video get ahead of themselves because they know you are working with him?
I am sorry I thought I explained that. Every person gets a paper regarding information on the horse they are assigned on it. This paper has contact information, bloodlines, and information about the horse. Leroy was started under saddle in Jan. And was turned out to pasture because of saddle sores. He was ridden at the walk and trot, but they still consider him "unbroke" for some reason. I guess he was long lined a couple times before he came to Findlay aswell. Alot of the other "unbrokes" have been ridden a few times or have had saddles introduced. It is hard to give everyone a truly unbroke horse, a few people have TBs that have never even seen a halter.

Like I mentioned in one of my posts I can tell Leroy has done this before. Which makes my job a little easier but there is still alot he needs to work on. He has been clipped before, bathed, farried, etc. I do have a un-fair advantage over a few other people I realize this. But most of the sophomore horses have been saddled before. Like I said it is just hard to assign everyone a true unbroke because there is only so many that come in. I still have to start from scratch because he wants us to learn how to. He wants everyone to move at the same pace (more or less). So just because my horse has been ridden before doesnt mean I get to throw a saddle on and hop on. That would put me unfairly ahead of the others.

We have to work at the pace we feel the horse is able to move at, but starting from scratch and working out way up. I hope that clears things up for you =]
     
    08-29-2011, 07:32 AM
  #25
Green Broke
It does, and thanks. I knew you said these horses were temporarily donated more or less to the program for use, but I wasn't sure if there was some sort of guideline they had to enforce about prior handling.

I know one school here in NC used to turn a herd of weanlings out and then come back and assign them at age two for a training program, but they had a big breeding program at their vet school, and used the foals from their broodmares, so they were all about the same as far as handling went. Not sure if that's still the case though.
     
    08-29-2011, 10:02 AM
  #26
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by apachiedragon    
It does, and thanks. I knew you said these horses were temporarily donated more or less to the program for use, but I wasn't sure if there was some sort of guideline they had to enforce about prior handling.

I know one school here in NC used to turn a herd of weanlings out and then come back and assign them at age two for a training program, but they had a big breeding program at their vet school, and used the foals from their broodmares, so they were all about the same as far as handling went. Not sure if that's still the case though.
Not really temporarily donated, more like sent there by the owners to be trained. If the horse is in the program the board and training is free besides the vet and farrier. Basically our barn is a giant training facility. Sometimes our instructors breed a few horses and give them to people when they turn two. Usually its outside people's horses or horses Steve has bought and will be put in the sale at the end of next semester.
     
    08-29-2011, 12:22 PM
  #27
Green Broke
Today everyone went out into the round pens. I took a saddle pad and a lead rope with me to simulate a pad & girth/cinch. Like always Leroy was a pro, Art was watching me and he said he was impressed. I was talking to him how Leroy has done it all before. I made a suggestion that this was /easy/ for me because he was already broke to saddle. Art smiled and said "well next semester I will make sure its not so easy". ohboy.

There isnt really anything to talk about that I havent already said. We have been working on the same things only now he is starting to pivot better. Tomorrow we might get to saddle Leroy is getting his wolf teeth pulled & floated. Im jumping him with clippers =D the vet is also going to check out his weird growth thing on his ear. Here is a picture of it.
     
    08-30-2011, 01:16 PM
  #28
Green Broke
Steve gave a demo about how to introduce a saddle to the horse for the first time. It was pretty much routine, we free lunge the horse until the horse relaxes and respects our presence. Then we slowly introduce the saddle by swinging just the stirrup and girth over the horses back. Once the horse stands quietly for that we throw the saddle on. So on and so fourth. I couldnt saddle Leroy today because he had an appointment at 9am with the vet.

Like I said before, Leroy had his teeth floated today. The vet had to drug him 3 times and he was still fighting it. Linda (one of the barn managers) came over to talk to the vet. She was telling me about when Leroy first arrived they had to leave a halter and lead on him, but he broke the lead backing out of the trailer. I told her that he has been ridden before an she was like "really?! It doesnt seem like it". He has been improving dramatically, he pivots, sets up, backs, trots with you, etc. We have been working really hard

Once we got Leroy into the stocks Dr. Hass put the mouth opener thingy on him and tied his head up. We (Linda and I) started asking him about the thingy on his ear. At first he thought it was a ear tooth, I was like what the heck is a ear tooth?! He explained...
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Dentigerous cysts, also known as temporal odontoma, temporal teratoma, heterotrophic polydontia, or ear teeth, are relatively rare but well-documented occurrences in young horses. They are composed of sacs containing a tooth or dental tissue that develop where there should not be a tooth.

Most commonly, they occur near the base of the ear and present as a firm swelling sometimes with a draining tract discharging a thick, white fluid. They can, however, appear inside the skull or nasal cavities, where they are much more likely to cause trouble, either by pressure or obstruction.

Since they are true cysts, they are lined by a secretory epithelium (a lining that produces some substance), and they must be surgically removed in order to eliminate the drainage. They are a developmental anomaly and are not considered cancerous tumors, so malignancy is not a risk. Good-quality radiographs are usually diagnostic and complete surgical removal is curative.
But since it wasnt draining or anything he ruled that out. He said its certainly a growth made of nail/hoof like substance. He went on to tell us that its just an odd growth that has a vein running trough it, if he were to cut it off it would bleed like a MF and he would have to stitch it up. He continued to tell us it might have a cystic lining in the part that is actually the ear. So cutting it off he doesnt know it if would even heal properly. So really...he has no idea what it is. But I thought it was fascinating, Linda told me in 20 years of running the barn she has never seen anything like it. It does cause him discomfort when you touch it though.

So Leroy has a hoof thingy growing out of his ear! While he was drugged I took advantage of it and attacked him with clippers . Here are some photos.

Drugged Leroy in the stocks with the thingy on his face and Linda creepin on what I was doing.


Getting teeth floated


Leroy's special friend that lives on his ear!

I need to name it.... any suggestions?
     
    08-30-2011, 01:24 PM
  #29
Weanling
Name it fear! Cause its a foot/ear and you're scared of what to do with it!
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    08-31-2011, 10:32 AM
  #30
Green Broke
Finally got the saddle on Leroy today! He did alright, most of the problems were me fumbling around all disorganized. Mary Sheffler was helping me. The hardest part was trying to stay organized and not scaring him. I was supposed to be able to swing the saddle up with one arm ya friggin right! Mary said I could use two hands as long as I stayed organized and kept his head turned towards me so I had control. Easier said then done! Thank god he has been saddled before or it would have been a disaster.

I have saddle broke horses before just not that way. I usually just tie my horses to saddle break, but I understand their way is much better and safer. Anyways, at first Leroy was good I was pulling him around. Then I started to lunge him and he begun crow hopping. He acted like he was trying to bite at his breast collar quite abit also. We lunged around for a little bit an he was fine.

When ever I lope Leroy in the round pen his has what I like to call "loose hips" every few strides he switches in the hind end. Which is a really good thing! It means he is naturally moving his hips in an out. He has the potential to be a really nice lead changer. Alot horses that have "loose hips" turn out to be nice lead changers. People are going to start getting on their horses tomorrow, the really quiet horses. Hopefully I will get on Leroy by friday.

Last night there was an IHSA meeting. This is the first year I am trying out. I had to fill out a bunch of papers telling them my backround in showing so they know where to place me. Im trying out next wed for Novice Horsemanship. We will see how it goes, I don't have show clothes but I talked to Cindy she said that was ok. It is getting exhausting getting up at 4:30am M-W-F and 5:15am T-Thurs. Im pretty much falling asleep writing this, and I still should go back to the barn tonight. I have a 2 hour break between classes, I might go sleep in my truck.
     

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