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post #1 of 108 Old 01-20-2017, 04:00 PM Thread Starter
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I tried 5 ways to Sunday to try sizing and uploading video for this journal. Nothing seemed to work. I decided to start off with who we are and how we operate.
I love rodeo and tie down roping was my best. I also showed ranch horses and I enjoy working cow horse, cutting and ranch sorting. From the onset of my life I was enamored with cowboys and horses. This has led to a long life training horses. The only things I am good at are horses and military. I did 4 tours in two branches of the military. I still kept horses at my home base and was only not around them when deployed. I tried working other jobs but I don't suffer idiots well so that did not work out well for me. When business got slow in horses and I get on a jinx competing, I would pick day work on ranches and some times feedlots. During recession I would work short term high risk military contractor work or investigative and close protection work. Horses are expensive and mine won't ever do without.
I have written a lot of threat emergency programs for corporations so a while back I started writing advice articles on horses for bloggers and I started writing books for children. I published one not to long ago.

I got killed a few years back on a rank horse. My saddle gave out and I was thrown so hard the impact damaged the left ventricle of my heart. I ended up having a stroke and a heart attack. My heart stopped 5 times but it cranked back up. I got over the stroke but the heart still is trouble. We got the horse fixed though. It turns out he had a magnesium deficiency and it caused blood sugar problems. Basically he suffered panic attacks.

I was terrible at marriage but in 2006 I married my wife Amanda. Her birth father is half Native American and so is her birth mother. Amanda and her brother were both adopted. We get along because we both have some strange affinity for horses that dominates our lives. Amanda is 30 years my junior. Shut-up! I can almost hear you people sucking in wind. Our marriage works. Its a bit like a low tire at times but it still holds air.
Amanda has learned well and is an excellent trainer and a better instructor than I am.

A good while back Amanda and I took custody of my great nephew. His father is a real piece of crap. His mother is struggling but gaining traction. He will stay with me until flies on his own. I was not suppose to do this. I was terrible at it. Now I have 2 people I worry about. I love my boy though. Below you can see how he came and how he has grown. The roan paint horse in the pic by the fence is his horse. That horse had no abuse at all. He came here because he was angry and he hurt people. He adopted my boy Micah and he changed. On his own!

So, now we train horses as a family. I can tell you that we stay slammed with problem horses and mustangs. The toughest ones are mustangs with problems.
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post #2 of 108 Old 01-21-2017, 02:57 PM Thread Starter
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Killer Rides & Better Ways

Sometimes it seems no matter how you prepare, you come to the dreaded last resort. Just after I got hurt My best friends son Dion offered to do this first ride.
This is a Mustang returned to the USBLM by a TIP trainer who listed the horse as not trainable. It got done and the horse has a good home in Texas. Just days after this ride Dion died due to a diabetic coma. Well, along came Sky. Another mustang with a really bad bucking problem. I had to find a better way to get these horses done. Well I did. I will post that later. I wasted too much time trying to upload video so, I will upload more pictures on what and how later.
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post #3 of 108 Old 01-21-2017, 05:18 PM
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Yes, you absolutely have an affinity for problem horses. You have picked some worse one than I have and I came home with some rank ones. Although All of mine were problems caused by humans.

The magnesium deficient horse----. I preach this all the time when the horse exhibits certain behaviors.

How did you discover the deficiency and which type of magnesium did you use?

My ornery horse has been with me almost 21 of his 23 years. He is grain and soy sensitive, and putting him on MagRestore (magnesium maleate) has made a world of difference in attitude and willingness.

Dion, the lad could ride! I am so sorry for his family's and your loss.

Wowzer on the throw you took. I have taken a few hard spills, including off my snowmobile but nothing that hard.

I'm surprised one of your jobs wasn't working as a Wildcatter on a well drilling platform:).

If you are writing in chronological order, you met your wife after you and the saddle got tossed. Look what you would have missed. There's a reason why things happen the way they do

I'm sure you do stay busy reschooling horses:). We have a few folks on this forum with Mustangs, hopefully they will introduce themselves:)

Regarding your videos. You may have to create either a Photobucket account or a YouTube account, up.oad the videos to one of those sites, then import them to your thread that way.

The pictures are great but, if those videos show the horse communication, I hope you can get them uploaded:)

Welcome, again, to the forum.

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post #4 of 108 Old 01-21-2017, 05:45 PM
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Welcome to the forum! Sorry that I could not ping you, I never can seem to get the ping to work with folks whose usernames have spaces.

I am also one, married young, and my husband and I have an age difference. I understand the annoyance with people who choose to be immature about it! Our relationship is wonderful, and dare I say, we have far less problems with each other than other couples I have seen. In fact, the only problem I can think of is that he doesn't ride with me enough

Problem mustangs are definitely difficult. My mare is at least half-mustang, could be full (unknown sire, mare got pregnant AFTER coming off BLM while she was in use with a trail riding company). She is very headstrong, some people won't believe the stories. But she won't put up with anyone who isn't as stubborn as she is, she'll just walk all over them. Sometimes I am surprised at the lack of strong will in some horse people, and wonder how the horses don't run the show constantly.

It will be fun reading more of your stories! I look forward to it :)
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post #5 of 108 Old 01-22-2017, 07:04 PM Thread Starter
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I believe that there are horses born that have issues that will never go away. There are horses that have been abused so badly that they may never recover mentally or physically. There are just plain times when you have to put them down. Some you can find other jobs for them or really good rescues that will retire them. Maintaining good equipment and keeping open minds in innovation and science is essential in being able to do this job safely efficiently.
The best thing about this job is that if you love the wild side and you love to learn, then you can dare to dare.
This being said I will show you the Ardall SR1. We call him Buckey.

The first pics are of gaited horse we got in. He was given to us by a really nice lady who wanted the best for him. She herself was terrified to ride him. He was herd sour and had some violent reactions to leg pressure and the bit when ridden.
We are not gaited horse people but, we do get a lot of them from people who buy them from Idiots. Almost always the problem is the same. Poorly maintained teeth, scaring in the mouth and spurred to death. We see that in a lot of horses but, more so in gaited horses. I am not trying to say there are any worse problems in gaited horses than any others. It is just by the numbers we get.

The fix is not generally hard, it is just lengthy. Once the teeth are done and the horse has been here long enough to get used to our routine and us, we get started. We do a lot of ground work to get them soft and relaxed. We use a bitless rig in these cases until they trust us enough to go back to the bit.
In the riding stage of things we start with the SR1. You will see that it allows for weight in the stirrups and pressure on his sides. The SR1 is firmly attached to a cutting saddle. The SR1 was made for an English saddle but easily fits a western saddle by using an extra large English girth over the western cinch.

You will notice the bitless rig and rubber straps. The rubber straps are loose but will apply pressure when we switch directions in the around pen. With the rubber straps the horse will realize quickly that with a slight turn of the head there is little pressure. The farther he turns his head the more pressure he feels. He learns that with less resistance he can control the pressure thus learning not to over react. There is no pain involved.
This horse is kind and learns fast.

In the driving pics you will see that we control the head and his hip. We can teach nice stops, turns, backup and even side pass. Now this horse was leery of buckey and there was initial nervousness but no bucking or rearing. He settled fast and was able to go to driving in the same session.

Things have gone really well with the paint and we are riding now. He still has some miles to be ridden and he will go to a snaffle bit but, I am keeping and preparing him for a business partner and very good friend of mine.

The second horse you see with a bee in her bonnet is a BLM mustang that was sent to us. The adopter did a super job gentling this mare. The adopter is a hunter jumper trainer and this was a first for her with a mustang. This mare had a bad bucking problem and slammed the trainer 3 times. We were called and the horse was shipped to us. The job was fairly easy as the groundwork was done well. We went straight to driving her and then to Buckey.

When the horse bolts and goes to bucking (with the dummy) you chase the horse out of the buck as quickly as possible. You let them run for several laps and if they start bucking again chase them out of it. Once you can see them starting to ease up, you step in and turn them. When you turn them it gives you the advantage to slow them down. Once they are in a slow jog you can stop them and the session is over. The next day do the same thing. If the horse stays calm and works well in a slow jog you can start driving them. If all goes well driving them over a couple of sessions they are then ready for the first ride. We have had a 100 % success rate over many horses and the worst that happened on the first ride has only been a couple of giddy's.

The pictures of my wife riding are of the mare and they were the first ride after buckey. This horse went home and has been great.

Sorry for the terrible pictures. They are snapshots from the video I wanted to upload.
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post #6 of 108 Old 01-22-2017, 08:10 PM
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Want to be sure I follow along.

Do you use YouTube? That seems to be the easiest way to add video here. If you are taking video with a phone, it's pretty straighforward to upload video to YouTube via their app (one of about 5 apps I'm willing to download on my phone!) and then copy the "share" link here, into the box that pops up after clicking the icon that looks like a globe & chain link above the box where you post your text (to the left of the icon you use to post pictures). Just click on that icon, and paste the YouTube link. One trick I learned is that after you paste the link in the box, delete the "s" from the "https" so it will appear in the body of your post. Pretty straightforward once you do it a couple of times. I'm sure there are plenty of folks who would love to see the videos you've mentioned!
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post #7 of 108 Old 01-22-2017, 08:53 PM
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.I believe that there are horses born that have issues that will never go away. There are horses that have been abused so badly that they may never recover mentally or physically. There are just plain times when you have to put them down. Some you can find other jobs for them or really good rescues that will retire them.


I agree with all of that.

Many years ago, we were all waiting on the second of grandad's mares to foal.

Turns out he went to the barn around midnight and found the foal laying there, caught in the sac. He cut the sac, the colt was breathing, and granddad stayed with him until he stood up.

The colt was gorgeous. Solid inky blue/black and was going to become the herd stallion when the horse that sired him retired.

Wahoo was ill mannered and ill tempered. The older he got the worse he became. The day he went out the driveway, he had gone out of his way to step on my foot, kick me in the stomach, then reared with intent of going over backward. I baled ----------- he turned around, put his head down and ran over me ------ I know that because my cousin witnessed everything.

We were all heartbroken to have him euthanized. Grandad said all he could figure was that the colt was caught in the sac and lost just enough air to make him black hearted. There had been several foals from the mare and stallion and there was never an issue. The loss of air was the only thing that made sense.

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I noticed you're from VA, is that one horse Bacchus?

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post #9 of 108 Old 01-23-2017, 03:18 AM Thread Starter
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I noticed you're from VA, is that one horse Bacchus?
Sooo, you know Bacchus.

In the first post, if you look at the pics, you will see my boy Micah standing with a horse at the fence. That is Bacchus.
We have not had to do anything with Bacchus. He adopted Micah and he changed on his own. He loves Micah and Micah loves him.
When you come on our farm Bacchus is the first horse you will see if he is turned out.
He greets everybody coming in.
The horse my wife is driving with the SR1 is a local horse but not Bacchus. Micah rides Bacchus bareback in just a halter. He just lets him ride and they enjoy each others company.
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post #10 of 108 Old 01-23-2017, 04:41 AM Thread Starter
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I have to go to the Doctor this morning so I am not much for sleep tonight.
Here is something that was pretty cool. We got a mare in with a load of TIP Mustangs from the BLM. The Mare in the following pics was one my wife was going to gentle. The mare was really fat. I have helped a lot of horses foal out so I told my wife this one looked pregnant. There was no bag so my wife just laughed and said we will see. Within a few days the mare seemed lame so my wife got me to have a look. While I was checking things out the baby started turning and I saw a little foot poking out of her side and then it was gone. I called my wife over but she missed it. I didn't think she believed me. The next day she saw the baby move. The rest went pretty quickly. She started bagging up and three days later her hips dropped. That baby was heading for the door. We set up a foaling stall and within two more days she was bagged up and waxing. That night my wife kept tabs on the mare. Somewhere near five in the morning she had the foal. That was quicker than most horses that I have seen.

In one pic you will see the placenta as the mare could not get shed of it. I had to rope her back legs while she was still down to pull it out. (She was still wild) I left it for the mare. They eat some of it for a quick replacement of nutrients. I know that sound gross but it is old school. I will also post a pic of the colt when he was a yearling.
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