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post #11 of 30 Old 07-24-2012, 08:47 AM Thread Starter
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^^ This. I would be working on getting his ground manners in order before you start thinking about getting on. Lots and lots of groundwork. Teach him to yield, back up, step away from you etc. There are some good threads on here covering groundwork exercises for disrespectful horses. Bucking can be caused by a number of things but running over someone is plain lack of respect. He wouldn't do it to the alpha horse.

Calm is great but respect is crucial. Respect will earn trust - he'll see you as leader and protector, and that will make him less spooky.
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My friend was leading him and I was on him when he bucked and ran over her. He has already had lots of ground work done I discovered and has had a saddle and pressure in his stirrups too.
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post #12 of 30 Old 07-24-2012, 08:49 AM Thread Starter
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I would go back to square one w/him. He needs to have respect for humans. I thnik you 're pushing way too fast for this young of a horse. Please be careful.
He is 4 not a 2 year old and has already done a lot of this stuff
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Cute looking little horse, can't tell for sure but your saddle may be a tad to far forward, but it could just be his positioning. I agree that our pushing him way to fast, I don't touch my new horses for at least 3 days to let them settle, that the next wedkp getting to know each other, not working on new stuff. How much experience do you have with horses, especially training wise?
which saddle I had 2 different saddles on him in the pictures.he has been at the place that he is at for a 1 and a half. I have already trained one horse and he is the best horse I have.
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It's not like I just jumped in the saddle and said go, I have taken it slow and work on pressure in stirrups and laying in the saddle and walking him around.
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He may not be a 2yo but he sounds like he has a lot of holes in his training, not just with his actions today but also with his previous owners. Groundwork is more than just pressure in stirrups and laying over the saddle - it's about asserting your position as the dominant one. I do regular groundwork with my horse because he has a naturally dominant personality, and he's a rising 9yo with miles under his belt.

As I said before, teach him to yield to pressure, back up, step out of your space, follow at your shoulder without a lead and without rushing ahead. This is no criticism - we don't want anyone getting hurt, we want you to succeed and turn this beautiful boy into a super riding horse. Groundwork may seem boring but it's incredibly valuable - and you can make it interesting!
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Yes I know groundwork is more than pressure in stirrups. With his original owner she put a lot of time into his groundwork, she did all of the things you mentioned beside following at shoulder without a lead, he is so slow he doesn't follow fast enough.
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Yup but you'll have to do it too to gain his respect - a horse develops respect for a person, not a whole species, and running over people and refusing to lunge shouts disrespect. Until he has full respect for you, keep up the groundwork - trust me on this one, I know you've trained another horse but horses are individuals and some are much more submissive than others. I work with two green horses atm - with Star people can get away with a soft, laid back approach and a verbal "nuh-uh" is all it takes to get her attention and obedience; Brock on the other hand requires strong body language, proper physical reprimands and 100% concentration at all times to prevent him gaining any points over you. Your horse sounds somewhere in between the two but gaining his respect now will save a lot of time, hassle, frustration and trips to ER in the future!
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Yup but you'll have to do it too to gain his respect - a horse develops respect for a person, not a whole species, and running over people and refusing to lunge shouts disrespect. Until he has full respect for you, keep up the groundwork - trust me on this one, I know you've trained another horse but horses are individuals and some are much more submissive than others. I work with two green horses atm - with Star people can get away with a soft, laid back approach and a verbal "nuh-uh" is all it takes to get her attention and obedience; Brock on the other hand requires strong body language, proper physical reprimands and 100% concentration at all times to prevent him gaining any points over you. Your horse sounds somewhere in between the two but gaining his respect now will save a lot of time, hassle, frustration and trips to ER in the future!
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thanks, I think it will be raining for the next couple days so I won't be a to do anything. I need a crop or whip to proabably get him to lunge.
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You need to do all the steps as she did before. He needs this form you and him to be safe. If he had good ground manners he would have never ran anyone over. Start over and you will have a great horse And you both will be safe . Becareful
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