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        01-20-2013, 12:53 PM
      #231
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    So I was curious about Angora breeding cycles. I figured they are “seasonal breeders” which usually means August to Feb. Goats that come from cold climates are seasonal and goats who come from warmer climates like Nigerians, Boars, and Nubians are considered more year ‘round breeders.

    Here is what I found-
    “Breeding Angora Goats
    Angoras breed seasonally, usually from August through January. Does are induced into estrus by the presence of a buck and cycle every 19 to 21 days until pregnant. Artificial insemination in Angoras is not common, so most breeding is done by a live buck that runs with the doe herd for the two or three months of breeding season.”

    Now it’s not unusual to see elongation and redness in the “lady parts” during heat cycles and even some minor udder changes, but the udder should return to normal between cycles, which it doesn’t seem like she is doing.
    False pregnancy is not the most common in goats, but it might be worth poking around to see if maybe this could be what is happening.
    I’m not an expert and as such, can’t tell a whole lot from the video beyond how ell cared for and loved she is.
    If she isn’t pregnant, she has developed a very healthy rumen (big square rumen = good thing) so at least you have that.

    Fias Co Farm/Goats- Prenatal Care Preparation for Kidding & Signs Labor
    I’m sure you have already seen this page, but scroll to the white goat at the bottom.
    It is possible that if Hazel is pregnant she is carrying in a similar fashion as the white (well technically called cream) goat and her udder (Hazel’s) could also be high and tight like the cream colored goat’s.
    (The dark goat at the top of the page is how a dairy goat udder typically looks. Like my goats too.)
    It would be easy to mistake the cream doe as a normal doe with lots of healthy “bloom.”

    Didn’t know if this might help too-
    “Later Palpation
    Movements of the fetuses can often be palpated between 3½ to 4 months. Put the doe on a stanchion. Put the heels of your hands together and spread your fingers wide apart. Place your hands just in front of the udder with your fingers extending into the flanks. Press upward into the belly and hold for a few seconds. You may feel one or more kids moving. The right flank is the most promising area to feel movement, as the rumen takes a lot of room on the left. It is somewhat difficult to palpate kids in fat does than those in appropriate condition. A small single fetus may sometimes avoid detection, especially in the presence of an exceptionally large amount of amniotic fluid. “

    If it were yourself, try to equate the area with below and to the right of your belly button, but not as far as your hip bone. What could be considered inside the flank in a human I suppose.
    I did read that it can be harder to feel kids in the more experienced does. Just what you wanted hear… right?

    ...awaiting on pins and needles here...
    Is she?
    Isn't she?
    And how many???
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        01-21-2013, 11:07 PM
      #232
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    You're the best! :) You have no idea how comforting it is to have someone who's super goat-smart to help me out with all my little Hazel-panics!

    I forgot to really feel her up today - I KNEW there was something I forgot. However, tomorrow if I get out of school early/Thursday when I am getting out of school early (my second class of the day has been cancelled so I get done at 11:30am! Then I never have class on Friday=Wooooh!) I'll try to give that a try. I wonder if having a stanchion makes it easier..getting her up to my height to feel things.... I'm a rather tall person and she, while not short, is not tall enough to make feeling her belly not super fatiguing. So when I've felt her, I've only been able to do it for a minute or two before I start dying. <---- 22 year old old lady right here! Hahaha

    Maybe I can get her up on something. I do have a rubbermaid box that Atticus's stood on without killing and he's heavier than Haze....I'll give it a try. And it's in the tackroom=no Atticus distractions (if I hold Haze still for too long, Atti starts pestering her because she can't retaliate, then I have to fend him off, etc).


    Today her hoo-hah was UNBELIEVABLY loose and her back end looked...different. I can't put my finger on exactly what was different but something was definitely different this morning. By the evening she was looking normal again in her back end though so if it was her ligs, they aren't 100% gone.

    GAH. Goats.





    Anyway, in normal stuff news, Lacey has been doing super well! She's been loving the last week or so because it's been relatively temperate+sunny. So, she's been getting to go "naked" and not wear a blanket! Her favoriteeee.
    Yesterday I even found her laying down, taking a nap in the sun - very rare for her to just be laying down happily.

    On Friday, her favorite lesson kid came over and we practiced lunging. Lacey loves lunging but since her injury, we haven't been doing a whole lot of it because she thinks lunging is her "trotting time" and it's been important to keep her from over-stressing her joints. BUT, on Friday, the ground was dry enough that slipping wasn't likely and she's 100% sound now (and has been for a while) so I figured we could do some lunging.
    I was so proud of both of them. Lacey started out really sassy and really challenging the kid but we kept going and by the time we were done, Lacey was being unbelievably soft and responsive to the little girl.
    Before, Lacey would just watch me for cues but this time we actually got her listening to the girl!
    Miss L even broke a sweat! The first time she's sweat ALLL winter. Hahaha

    The lesson kid was super proud of herself and I was proud of both of them. There's something truly special about a 1000lb creature responding to subtle cues from a little 90lb 10 year old! Why I teach lessons, right there. Haha



    Then, today, a rather large herd of deer came to visit. And I had my camera=PICTURES OF DEER.




    Ferdinand, the buck.



    Baby Girl, she's last year's baby who was always getting left with Lacey while her momma went off to do deer-ly things. So, inside my head, I called her Baby Girl and it just stuck. She's super curious and ADORES Lacey, even still.



    Ferdie.



    Most of the deer.
    There were 7 does and Ferdinand.



    This little lady decided it was nap time.





    "SHE SAID WHAT??????@!!!$&^Y*!!!"

    [she was chewing her cud...hahaha]



    Cutie.





    That's all! I hope everybody is doing super great!!
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        01-21-2013, 11:29 PM
      #233
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wallaby    
    You're the best! :) You have no idea how comforting it is to have someone who's super goat-smart to help me out with all my little Hazel-panics!

    I forgot to really feel her up today - I KNEW there was something I forgot. However, tomorrow if I get out of school early/Thursday when I am getting out of school early (my second class of the day has been cancelled so I get done at 11:30am! Then I never have class on Friday=Wooooh!) I'll try to give that a try. I wonder if having a stanchion makes it easier..getting her up to my height to feel things.... I'm a rather tall person and she, while not short, is not tall enough to make feeling her belly not super fatiguing. So when I've felt her, I've only been able to do it for a minute or two before I start dying. <---- 22 year old old lady right here! Hahaha

    Maybe I can get her up on something. I do have a rubbermaid box that Atticus's stood on without killing and he's heavier than Haze....I'll give it a try. And it's in the tackroom=no Atticus distractions (if I hold Haze still for too long, Atti starts pestering her because she can't retaliate, then I have to fend him off, etc).


    Today her hoo-hah was UNBELIEVABLY loose and her back end looked...different. I can't put my finger on exactly what was different but something was definitely different this morning. By the evening she was looking normal again in her back end though so if it was her ligs, they aren't 100% gone.

    GAH. Goats.
    Different is good.

    Stanchion- well I'm short, so if I use one for this then I have to stand on it too.
    I usually stand behind the goat, like I'm going to give her a good back scratching, and run my hands down both the sides towards the flank. Being behind, or off the side towards the back hip/tail while facing the goat's head seems to put your hands in the right position and helpful.

    Love the deer pics!
    Between your good eye and the new camera.... wowie!
    (No novel this time.... it's a first! )
         
        01-25-2013, 10:44 PM
      #234
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    Erm....need baby update....
    ....having withdrawals here...
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        01-25-2013, 11:48 PM
      #235
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    Hahahahahahaha Leah! I like you.
    If she had had babies, oh boy, this whole board would know. There would be NO ESCAPE!!!!

    Buuuuuut, coy goat is still playing coy:



    Yup, no babies No new udder "improvements"...just same old Haze.
    She is laying down A LOT more than she was though... She even let me sit on the ground with her and stroke her today. Usually she gets up as soon as I start getting down to her level when she's laying down...
    But she is an old lady so laying down is sort of to be expected.

    I tried really feeling her belly today but nothing came of it. I thoughhhhht I felt something in there but I was really pushing so it could have been internal organs, rumen, baby, who knows. HAZEL.
    This goat is going to be the death of me for sure.

    I thiiiink I found ligaments today though! I found them on Atticus first then tried on Hazel. Her's were a lot less "there" than his were. His were definitely tight pencils and hers were iffy pencils. BUT, she has a more generous bottom than he does. He's definitely "dairy" (look at who's using the 'lingo'!!) and she's definitely not. She is bonier over her ribs and backbone, chunkier over her butt, and he's exactly the opposite.
    Anyway, I might have been feeling actual soft ligs or I might have been feeling chunk over normal ligs...
    And maybe her ligs are just softer after having so many babies...I mean, she's never been able to lift her tail over her back. When she's excited, level is about as high as it gets (unlike Atticus who can curl it over his back if he wants).


    So yeaaaaah. Plus side: only about 15 more days before it's been 155 days since I brought them home and we can be reasonably sure that she's "open" (if she doesn't pop a little one out).

    Oh, but, Leah, I don't know if you've tried this/do this but I kind of feel like a genius: as a hair "improve-er" for Miss Hazel, human hair conditioner, mixed with lots of water, in a spray bottle. I did 1 tbsp or conditioner for 16oz of water and OH MY GOODNESS. It has curled her hair right back up and she is SO SOFT right now. She's always soft but not like this! And I can brush her without causing her undue pain via hair pulling... and the water re-curls her hair right up so I'm not messing up the curl by brushing it!



    Funny story:

    Yesterday I took my cat to the vet. It was a young vet...like my age (well, a little older to have gone through vet school but he just graduated last spring soooo not too much).
    Uh yeah, he was a cute cute cute vet. I think my cat is probablyyyy mortally ill and needs this guy (who INSISTED that I call him by his first name) to tend him constantly...
    He came up with all these reasons why I need to bring Booth in on a monthly basis, number one being so he can "weigh Booth to make sure his weight is staying healthy - free of course"........I can't just use my scale...at home?

    So that was great. I don't usually have guys stumbling all over me (correction, my friends say I do...but I'm about as perceptive as a brick wall so....) so that was somewhat of a confidence boost! Hahaha


    I realized afterwards I should have asked him if he knew about goats...

    The other hilarious part was, I guess I was lookin' hawt yesterday (sweatshirt, jeans, dirty coat, cat...? Um, ok), every woman in that vet's office, except for the very kind receptionist, gave me some sort of major stink eye.
    One of said eyes could have been caused by me parking my van in a compact car space (but they were all compact spaces and I needed to park SOMEWHERE) but really. It was hilarious.
    I just want to go back to that vet every time I'm feeling down about something and be all "thas' right, ya'll."




    Pictures of the cat in question...I don't know if I've ever introduced you guys to him!!! He's fantastic.
    Back when I was working at a summer camp, a group of friends and I found him in the woods, all alone, at about 4 weeks old. His mom+sisters had been dumped with him but they were all eaten by coyotes/bears. SOMEHOW he survived at least one night out there, alone, then we found him.
    I was supposed to rehome him after camp butttttt............
    Anyway, he's a giant now. Has no idea that he's a cat, wants to wrestle with dogs and snuggle with cats...he's hilarious. He met a Chihuahua once and his method of greeting was to sit on that little dog. Hahahahaha!

    His name is Booth, after Booth from Bones. :)









    Then Lacey!!
    [It seems that all my animals have some sort of hard-luck story...it adds to their charm, right? Haha]



    It was warm enough out today for Miss Sassy to wear a light weight sheet to bed!! She was thrilled.
    Ending about a week ago, it had been nice for a few weeks so she had gone some time without wearing a blanket during the day. She is NOT the biggest fan of wearing them during the day, now that it's started raining again.
    But since I'm not the biggest fan of drying a muddy horse off so I can blanket her at night...tough cookies.

    Spring is almost here!





    That's all, I believe! :)
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        01-26-2013, 09:49 PM
      #236
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    Nothing super special for today...just a lil (ie, LONG) video of everybody and two pictures.

    This video... I don't know where to start. Perhaps with saying that if you have vertigo of any kind, don't watch it. It starts out with me walking downhill, then uphill which is probably the worst part, but then there's more walking downhill and things get a little shaky.
    I tried to have Youtube fix it for me but that really only succeeded at removing some of the shake and making the entire video not as "crisp" as it was.
    Darn videos! The shakiness does get better after about the 2 minute point (but you miss everybody's close up/Lacey running) so skipping ahead might be helpful...

    In any case, this video features Lacey cantering, Atticus leaping around in true Atti-style, and Lacey taking everybody down to the shed for dinner.
    My favorite part is that you can see, around 2 minutes+30 seconds, Atticus wanting to go past Lacey. However, passing Lacey while we walk down to the shed is NOT allowed (except for me, however Lacey prefers that I take up the rear, she should lead, and the goats should be in the middle) and you can see Atticus choose NOT to pass her because she's the boss...without her even "saying" anything.
    Inter-species communication!
    And, showing how being a benevolent leader (she would nip at him and trot to pass him but wouldn't go much farther than that, if he had passed her and "needed" punishment) can actually work!



    Then, this afternoon when I was toting hay down the shed, Miss L seemed to have a bee in her knickers.
    She had galloped up from the shed to the front gate, then galloped back halfway down to the shed, then "spooked" and trotted halfway to the gate again, THEN (once I was down at the shed again moving more hay in) she came galloping+bucking down the hill, sliding to a stop next to the shed.

    I thiiink she wants a 6th career in reining... Silly girl. She better not mess up her hocks doing this! Haha
    This picture was mid-skid, the skid line was AT LEAST a foot and a half long!
    Dork.
    Hahaha

    [no nice camera for this one - just cell phone]





    Then, the other day I did a little drawing I like... :)




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        01-27-2013, 02:13 AM
      #237
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    I just remembered!! I found a few "blast from the near past" pictures of Miss L the other day that I haven't shared! *le gasp* How could I forget to share them!?

    Luckily I still remembered where they were hiding so here they are!

    This is the girl, about a month after I first met her - taken 8/19/08. I met her on July 16, 2008.
    Back when she was a 23 year old spring chicken! Hahahaha

    These pictures are so weird to me. I look at them and intellectually know that that IS Lacey...but her soul just doesn't seem to be there. Like the Lacey in these pictures is not the Lacey of now...
    Does anybody else see that? Or is it just me?

    One thing we can be sure of: she has always been a camera ham!



    Then, Lacey and her BFF of all time, Dani. Dani had foundered a few months before they came to us and Dani's new owner didn't know how to care for a laminitic horse. Sooo Dani foundered again about a year later and was put down. :(
    She and Lacey had lived together for 15 years (Dani was "the" riding horse, post-Lacey nearly annihilating her previous owner's son. After that event, Lacey was "retired" and Dani was bought to take L's place.) and, looking back, Dani was definitely Lacey's "guide horse". L mourned her for months and, to this day, adores animals/things that are that shade of brown.
    It is probably the saddest thing ever.
    Plus side: after Dani passed, that's when Lacey turned to me for support and our relationship started getting really great like it is now.

    And if you can't tell, Dani was the "pissy mare" of the two of them! Haha Dani was THE SWEETEST girl ever...but she had a stink eye like no other.

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        01-27-2013, 03:12 AM
      #238
    Weanling
    Enjoyed the video so much. Thanks.
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        01-27-2013, 12:34 PM
      #239
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    That IS genius about the conditioner on her. I actually do that with my own curly hair to protect it from all the abuse I heap on it, but alas, we are not allowed to goop up an alpacas fleece in any way, shape, or form and show sheen will put you on the “most hated” list for sure.
    Disqualifies you from the show ring so I wouldn’t have thought of it.
    (Yeah… big bad rule breaker that I am…)

    Hmmm, perhaps Mr. Wonderful has been found??
    See, you did it the right way though….unlike me. I had to have a crush on one of the local vets, whom of course had no idea I even existed beyond ferrying my sick animal back and fourth to the clinic. Must have been because it was one of the more rare times that I took time to put on clean clothes did not smell like manure. (Not too much anyway)
    See… I knew I was doing something wrong.
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        01-30-2013, 01:06 AM
      #240
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    Nothing exciting to report.

    Only slightly less than 2 weeks until Hazel's "baby cut off" date (Feb 10)! I'm sorta looking forward to it. Dreading it too because, knowing her, if she does have babies inside her, she's GOING to wait until mid-week next week. And you know what that is for me?
    Hah, yes. Midterms! So many papers, speeches, and quizzes. Yup, doe code.
    I'll be sad if/when she has nothing but also sorta really relieved. This has been stressful!



    Anyhoo, for your midweek viewing pleasure+entertainment, I got bored...very very bored, in my Jazz History class today:



    [and yes, that WOULD be a dragon annihilating a dinosaur. The things that come out of my mind! I do these pictures sort of free-thought where I just draw whatever comes to mind, then add as it seems reasonable. Weird, me, weird. ]

    :)
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