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post #31 of 58 Old 05-22-2012, 08:17 PM
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Yes, it is easy for a horse with moments of misbehavior to score fairly well. I was in a large recognized event and the horse I was riding was in a really naughty mood. The bell rang, we cantered into the ring, had a magnificent halt/salute. Then, when we trotted forward the silly wretch squealed and bucked all the way to C. We tracked right and went on with a really nice test.

I figured it was a bust test, until I got my score. I got a 2 on the spoiled movement but scored mostly 7's and 8's and a couple of 9's on the rest of the test. The judge, Axel Steiner, wrote "rodeo" in his comments on the trip down the centerline. I scored quite high on the collective for position, because I didn't come off, I guess.

We were second after dressage and ended up winning the event due to lack of penalties on XC and Stadium.

I was embarrassed when I got pinned, but 90% of the test was very good. Luckily, dressage is scored by the movement. One bad movement cannot ruin the whole test. It is more fair than flat classes where "impression" is what makes the scores, IMO.
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I don't know about you CW, but I often take two horses to my trainers, which means grooming getting ready, loading up, driving over there, riding two horses, with prep time and cooling down time for each, loading up driving home, getting everyone ready and putting them up, tires me out..

Taking one horse to a show, riding 4 tests just totally wipes me out, because I put far more of everything into it, I find it far more draining. I believe because of that my horse probably finds it draining as well, that is the difference to me, it 's a day of being switched on, where as trail riding is more likely to be a little more relaxing, not so much nervous energy around.

That is why I think a show and a few tests is just as, or even more work than a trail ride.
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I understand that GH. My trail rides are usually hill work,bending,laterals and gait transitions. I pretty much think of it as schooling without a rail lol. I usually only do lazy walk when im with other horses because if we do canter cinny thinks he has to race everyone which can be dangerous on our tail. One side of the trail has about 10 feet between the trail and a 10 or 20 foot drop into a ravine so you want to be in full control. Our after arena work rides are ALWAYS walks as well.
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Well congratulations on your improvement :)

And I have to say I'm happy that Dressage is fine with a horse not being completely calm because I'm pretty sure when I take Sky to a few local shows for desensitizing and to see where we are.... it's going to be a beautiful rodeo.

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It is hard for me not to comment about this. But I do believe all this started from a simple question.

How is it that a bucking horse gets a better score then a horse that did as asked but just not perfect?

I think golden horse explained it pretty well and that where I was going to leave it. But I just knew some were going to come on and start up with the assumptions and criticisms. I am sad it has come to name calling just because someone questions dressage.

I loved going to Dressage shows and watching other riders and seeing how your horse progresses throughout the season. But really its no longer fun for me. I do have opinions on todays dressage and will keep them to myself.
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I'm sorry you feel people are being rude. I hope we were able to show how one or two bad movements can not ruin a whole test. Some bad behavior only affects the movements involved. If other movements scored well, it can overcome the badly performed movements to create a better than expected score.

If Cinney came from a hunter background, as she says she did, she is familiar with how bad behavior will ruin the whole class. The scores are an OVERALL score, not a score of a brief movement, being added to all the other scores of brief movements.

Cinney is just learning dressage and she may not have found that delicate balance between the leg and hand that will help bring her horse together. This will tend to create lower scores in each movement.

We were all there once. We all had to go through those same growing pains. Once she gets that balance with her horse, she will see consistently better scores throughout the test...adding up to overall better scores.

Cinny, don't get discouraged. You will get there. Just keep trying to find that balance.
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post #37 of 58 Old 05-23-2012, 07:54 AM
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Cinny,

I'm curious; what were the judge's comments on your score sheet? Often the score sheets are the most valuable thing about the show, especially a bad show.

If you're trying to understand how the class was placed, or how one or two movements did or didn't affect the overall placing, reviewing the score sheet and the judge's comments is invaluable.
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Okay Maura :) Here are the training 2 comments...it's the only score sheet I can find right now as I still have yet to unpack from the show. Judges comments for each element are in red.

1 - Enter working trot, halt salute - straight, salute should be more clear

2 - C Track right B Circle Right 20m - Fussy on the bit

3 - KXM Change Rein working trot - active but tight through back

4 - Between C&H - Working Canter left lead - Haunches trailing (not sure what that means)

5 - E Circle left 20m - above bit

6 - Between E&K working trot - Straight but lacks connection

7 - A Circle left allowing horse to stretch forward and downward before A shorten reins - O small

8 - Between A&F Medium walk - could march more

9 - FXM free walk M-C Medium walk - Shows some swing from behind tenses before M

10 - C Working Trot - above bit

11 - E Circle Left 20m - inconsistent connection

12 - FXH Change rein working trot - Straight diagnal need more bend in corners

13 - Between C & M working canter right lead - running into depart (actually he slipped and tripped himself up and almost went down)

14 - B Circle right 20m - no comments were written but scored 5.5

15 - Between B&F working trot - no comments written but scored 6.0

16 - A Down Centerline X Halt, salute - Reins MUST be taken in one hand and drop other for salute - My mistake... my last two trainers told me it is also acceptible to have a strong halt and bow head down. As Cinny tends to like as little rein movement as possible this is what I have always done. This is the first judge to say anything about it and she even called me over after my test and told me I need to do it the other way. I made sure to sit, listen and then thank her.
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And the individual scores and the scores for the collective marks?

BTW, "haunchss trailing" means not tracking up or haunches trailing behind or not engaged behind - actually, it's more severe than just not engaged.
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Interesting about the salute Cinny, I've always been taught the one handed version and I wondered if both were acceptable, but everything I can find agrees with this version

1. Salute promptly only after the halt is established. Your horse should remain quietly on the aids. He should not anticipate the move-off, be “behind” your leg aids, step back or be crooked.
2. Take your reins into one hand (MOST preferably the hand without the
whip). However, either hand is permissible. Failure to take the reins in one hand is an error of test and penalized by a deduction of points. Note: Dropping your hand with the whip may inadvertently touch the horse and cause him to move.
3. Promptly drop your arm straight down behind your thigh while looking pleasantly and confidently at the judge; then immediately drop your head in a slight nod while keeping your back straight and seat centered. Promptly lift your head. Note: Leaning forward, displacing weight, or excessive movement may cue your horse to move-off early or to become crooked.
4. Take the reins in both hands and move-off establishing right or left flexion depending on the turn at C direction.







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