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Probably my first horse ride ever, circa late '70s.



"To understand just one life you have to swallow the world..." Salman Rushdie


It seems a little difficult to explain where I’m at in my horse life.
For sure I’ve found a horse life to be a dynamic thing, shifting and changing in ways a person may not expect.

First I should explain that whatever may change about me, a constant is that I need to have horses in my life. I’m human, female, and just as deep as both of those things I’m a horse person. In the times of my life where I could not have my own horses, I still thought about them, read about them, obsessed about them. Throughout the long years of childhood and as a teen, when my mother remained convinced I would outgrow this phase, my thoughts revolved around learning, preparing, and planning for when I would own a horse. Any chance I had to meet a horse, touch a horse, ride a horse, and I was there.

When I was in college, they asked me why I chose my career as a nurse. Others around me said they’d always dreamed of helping people or been interested in health care. I truthfully said I wanted to have a career that would help me have a good income so I could always have horses.

Although I did not own a horse until my early twenties, my obsession with horses meant that before I bought a horse I had ridden many horses, taken different types of lessons, studied many different trainers, knew a lot about various types of tack and riding styles, horse breeds, and how to assess horses for soundness and conformation.

As always with horses, and something I learned long before I owned a horse, is that even if you study horses your entire life, you can only know a fraction of what there is to know.

Over the years I’ve found horse people to be opinionated, stubborn, emotional, dramatic, and helpful, tough, caring, loyal. Most of them are loyal to their horses first, and that’s not a bad thing. It’s hard sometimes to call them “my people,” yet they are. They’re the only ones who can understand the deep-seated need “we people” have to talk about horses. Co-workers’ eyes glaze over, spouses try to care but get bored, family members have heard it for far too many years. Strangers won’t stick around long enough. Even when horse people get frustrating, they’re still good to have around to listen to the stories.

I’ve had the chance my horse life to study some different disciplines and different theories whole-heartedly. I’ve had the opportunity to be disillusioned by the difference between dreams and reality, and to learn again and again that horses are amazing animals, just animals, but animals worth spending years and dollars and dreams on. Horses have been teaching me about myself, about humanity, about beauty, and about life. There’s more to learn.

Where I’ve landed is somewhere far away from those that use horses for profit and ego and their own goals. It’s also some distance from those that use horses to fulfill purely emotional needs, or those that believe horses sense our purposes and bond with us with some form of blind parent/child trust. I’ve learned that absolutes such as never, or always do not apply to horses. No horse will “always.” No horse will “never.” In the right situation, any horse will, and can hurt you. I’ve learned that you can’t take anything personal with an animal, and to stay far away from anthropomorphizing. The more I understand that horses are individuals with their own, strong motivations, the more I appreciate them.

These philosophies help explain why I have the two horses I own, and may give insight into what I write about them. In the next post I’ll introduce my horses.
 
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#1,682 ·
A little update on Halla:

She has been at a stable pain level with 4 grams of Bute daily. I've read and pondered everything possible and concluded that it will be best to put her down. She has tested positive for Cushing's, and this is apparently why the sudden onset and difficult to control laminitis and founder. I've read in several places that horses with Cushing's are the most confounding and difficult to treat.

In my experience, a good trim and diet change will make growing in a new, tight hoof capsule seem fairly easy after laminitis. Those are horses with a more simple metabolic problem.

Why Halla has deteriorated is due to a more complicated internal disease. Many people say that for horses with Cushing's the laminitis will almost always recur and it is often the reason they have to be put down. Cushing's can look very different in different horses, I'm learning. For a lot of horses it is discovered after catastrophic laminitis. Others seem to have a lot of outward signs like a long coat but the progress is slow and not as hard on their bodies.

I've considered a lot of things: a drastic trim, special shoes, seeing if the Prascend will work (the vet says it takes a month or two to change the hormones), putting on a complete muzzle so Halla could go out with her herd (considered unethical, too frustrating for horses), whether she might be happy enough if she only limped a little with constant Equioxx or similar medication...for me the biggest thing is the risk. All of these things have the potential to work but for many months if she has any recurrence because one thing doesn't work perfectly, it will put her into a more terribly painful state than she is in now, because she has no attachment and her coffin bones are rotated so far. Both are more than ten degrees, the worst at least 15 degrees.

How is it that I have two horses with Cushing's? Arabs are a more common breed for it, I understand.
My DH gets very attached to our animals also, and he has needed more time to feel comfortable with this decision. I've been trying to let him take that time. Yet I know what we have been doing is risky, if the rotation worsens any more the coffin bones could go through the sole and I know with Halla the Bute level is not sustainable. Last night when we went out she was disinterested in her hay, so I am sure the ulcers are starting. So the time is running out, and my DH saw that she is getting unhappy.
I emailed the vet and she was supportive of everything, so we will find a day after the weekend where she can come, as long as Halla seems to cope well enough.

I am remembering great stories about Halla.
One day I was riding with a teen girl who often came to ride Amore. I'd given her lessons, and she did very well staying with Amore. Halla was so relaxed and mellow that day. After we'd ridden about three miles, we had gone for several canters on the mountain logging roads and finally let the horses run up the steep, twisting trail about a quarter mile long that we called the Knob. It was a steep little hill that dead-ended off one of the logging roads, and had a great view from the top all the way to the rivers and towns far below.

At the top, I decided Halla was feeling so mellow that my teen friend could give riding her a try. I'd let her get on Halla in the arena several times before. So we swapped horses, and I helped her onto Halla before hopping on Amore. Halla walked for several steps, then just took off trotting away down that super steep hill. Halla was never a smooth trotter on her best day, and rivaled some of the roughest, bumpiest horses I've been on. Down this steep grade, I could see it was absolutely punishing. The teen wasn't bouncing as much as she was jackhammering down the mountain. I shouted encouraging words about checking Halla back, keeping her weight in the stirrups, and other nonsense but all the while I could see Halla's tail swinging gaily back and forth and her hips ricocheting up and down as she powered her way down the hill. The teen's helmet was thrashing around. I started hollering things about trying not to bite her tongue off.

Meanwhile, Amore, the superb downhill horse was sashaying smoothly as she sprang along behind Halla, making my ride easy. At the bottom, I pulled up Amore and jumped off, in order to help the shaken rider off her horse. She was quite relieved at the prospect of getting back on Amore. When I got on, Halla leaped into a trot immediately, ready to take off as happily as she had for the last rider, eager for more of the fun slamming-the-rider-around. When I actually did check her back, I could feel her disappointment, and she tried once more before settling into her prior mellow mood for the several miles home.
 
#1,685 ·
Just now catching up on your journal and I am simply heartbroken for you. I do hope you can find some peace in knowing you have done everything possible for her.

The final act of love is taking their pain and making it our own.

Godspeed Halla.



p.s. for anybody who tries to tell you about a horse who recovered from laminitis, etc.. there is a world of difference between a horse who experienced some form of laminitis and one who has severe rotation, even without the Cushings.
 
#1,688 ·
Halla's pain has improved over the weekend and I dropped her Bute to 2 grams (1 twice a day). She was apparently getting ulcers, but I've been giving her TUMS twice a day and her appetite is back. She has been walking fairly easily around her pen, and not letting Amore get hay at times (per her usual self). It didn't look like she laid down today at all, and the weather was pretty good.

Long story short, DH is not comfortable making the decision to put her down right now. He wonders what the rush is, and would like to feel more certain that she won't have a good quality of life.
The vet believes she will deteriorate in a week or two, and then my DH will feel more certain. Halla is not obviously depressed or having a difficult time right now, and it seems it will be important to not have the DH feeling like I rushed to put down one of our animals, while he was still deciding. So I am OK with this.

The vet doesn't think starting Prascend will help since it may take more time to work than Halla has left. But I have read about several horses online that seemed to respond quickly to Prascend, so who knows? I guess if she somehow improved then I would want her to have started the treatment to lessen the danger of a relapse. It also will help DH feel we did everything we could.
I am going to post her xrays to the hoof section to see if anyone has opinions about trying a trim for her.
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Finally got Rascal out again for a ride, and we went out with Nala down to the beach. First we lunged Rascal a bit since Nala's rider had bought a western saddle for her BF to use since Rascal keeps chucking him off. He asked if she'd be mad at her if he wanted to ride in a western saddle, LOL. It was a nice, used Circle Y, seemed to fit OK and he lunged around fine. Nala's rider hopped on for a few turns and it didn't seem to bother him.

The great news is that Rascal is definitely improving. We went a ways down the beach, he went up and down the big dune without a problem and no bucking. We did walk, trot and canter and really moved out and he did great. He did try bucking the first several times at the canter, but he finally was just going in and out of it without bucking, and I told him how wonderful he was.

He spooked only once, when a car came up behind us, but all the other stuff he's seen before he didn't spook at. He also got upset once when I tried to steer him toward Nala but he thought I was turning back away from home (I think he was getting tired). So he skedaddled sideways and lurched up and down a bit which probably would have knocked off the BF, but then he straightened back out and went nicely again.

It felt so great to be on a couple TBs just moving down the beach. Nala hadn't been out in quite while, so she really needed the ride. Rascal of course could get me off (never say never), but even his bucking and goofy stuff are not that challenging compared to some so I am feeling quite comfortable. I really love his trot when he is moving out, and his canter is too high and round but it will get better in time. It's gratifying that even though we haven't had time and good weather to get him out consistently, he does keep improving.
 
#1,689 ·
Glad to hear Halla is doing a bit better, even if only for a short time. Who knows what will happen in two weeks. I agree that the prognosis isn't good, but at least you both have a little time to come to terms with the decision and can both have peace with it.

It's good that you are out riding and having fun. Keep on doing that. Enjoy Rascal the "wascally wabbit" :wink:
 
#1,691 ·
If your DH is still having issues with the decision, then I feel like you def need to start the Prascend as otherwise he may use that as another reason to prolong the process. While I am glad that Halla is feeling somewhat better, I do not envy you the coming days..

I am glad you are getting saddle time with Rascal. I am sure it does your soul a world of good.
 
#1,692 ·
We did a trim today, which has made Halla more sore. Not sure if she will get worse after this. Everything I've read says that if you want to try with a horse, the trim is not optional.

She has her padded boots on now.
I measured the length of her sole, then figured out what percentage of the length of her sole based on the xray would come off in order to create this breakover about halfway between the coffin bone and end of the hoof. Then I rockered that away from the bottom of the hoof.
I also took some heel off the right front and a tiny bit off the left.
This is about what I did except the rocker is more like a 45 degree angle:

She was four weeks out from her last trim when she started with the laminitis, so her toe was long. By the time we got xrays it had been 7 weeks, since she was too sore to hold her hooves up.
Despite the fact that her hooves looked OK on the outside, inside was a different story. I guess that is what Cushing's can do.

We had made a little progress by last summer, after her previous much less serious rotation. Despite all my best trimming efforts, we now are in bad shape.
 
#1,693 ·
Don't know if this is still valid, but I read that wedges are sometimes used to ease pain on founder. If I understood correctly, the sinking P3 puts a strain on the deep flexor tendon and is a source of much if not most of the pain. If this is true, I'm wondering if wedges in the hoof boots would help.

This seems backwards to me in a way as it would seem to put more pressure on the toe against the sole. But I'm reading the deep flexor tendon being the source of pain.

But maybe her laminae has not turned loose in the heel area.

Hope you don't mind, I'm just trying to throw stuff out there. Thinking that anything that relieves pain is going to result in her moving more which gets her circulation going which helps healing.

Maybe a slight wedge pad could be tried with Halla reporting on the results? Or maybe not?
 
#1,694 ·
The Cloud boots are raised in the back, based on that idea. For a little while I thought she was more comfortable with the boots on, then she seemed more comfortable in the sand barefoot. Either one of those are recommended for sole support.

I don't really know...the vet subscribes to the theory that the pull of the DDFT causes most of the rotation. Other sources I've read say that ignores the effect of the tendon on the front of the coffin bone, which pulls the other way. Some believe they see no less rotation or pain with elevated heels, but maybe see less with lowered heels.

One thing about laminitis is that there's no real agreement about hoof treatment since there are good results and bad results regardless of if you raise the heel believing that relieves the DDFT, or if you lower the heel believing that lowers the coffin bone angle.

I read many articles looking for a specific shoe or wedge that would help relieve pain, but they all seem to help more with regrowth process rather than comfort. Wooden shoes seem the most helpful for regrowth but I haven't been sure if we would get that far.

Everyone seems to agree that the toe needs to come off/back. Everyone also agrees that the insulin levels (especially based on latest research) cause the laminae to disconnect and tear away the hoof wall from the coffin bone.

Something very great is my barn owner is very supportive. She's ready to help with a tractor for burial any day, or to wait for weeks or more. She's allowed me to move Amore up the hill to stay with Halla at night, and to move Buddy to another pen. She's let me move sand and feeders and do whatever I need to help Halla. I have been at other barns where all of this would have been either unavailable or very difficult to do. I'm very grateful for all of this.
 
#1,695 ·
Well at least there is agreement on bringing the toe back. Makes sense since after the rotation it's sticking out there like a big lever.

I read one site that "seemed" to be knowledgeable. (don't they all) This article recommended both lowering the heels and using wedges with the explanation that lowering the heel buttresses brought the frog into a greater weight bearing role than it would be in normal circumstances and then the wedge was used to relieve the DFT tension.

I also read about using frog support for the same reason as lowering the heels. And all seem to agree that what ever works to get the horse moving more is the important thing to do.

If she can't pull through, the effort was valiant. That barn owner is head and shoulders above what I've heard about some. That is so great.
 
#1,697 ·
Humor is always helpful:

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Here's what's been going on:

First, did a trim on Amore yesterday and that made me feel good. I guess it just makes me see how a horse can have Cushing's, and not every one has to have such perfect management or they will crash.
She goes out on grass and yet has a very tight white line, thick soles, and her hooves seem healthy. Just giving her a pill seems to keep her stable.
It makes me wonder if there are separate types of Cushing's we don't understand yet, some showing different signs and requiring a little different management. Halla definitely has no long coat, and instead has almost shed out.

This is day 5 of giving Halla Prascend. She stayed more sore after the radical trim on Tuesday. We added deep sand to her pen. "More sore" for her meant awkward gait, not walking unless necessary, standing with feet shifting frequently. She was still not lying down very often.

She went off her feed a day ago and we talked about putting her down yesterday, DH is now on board with it so we've been talking more about what day rather than "if." He saw that if her pain did not improve quickly, we had no choice. But he felt better because we tried the Cushing's med for several days, and the trim in case relieving the toe wall leverage might help.

Today was a day off work for me, I went early to see if Halla was still off her feed and looking sore, and then planned to call the vet. We started her on ulcer medication yesterday.

Of course, today I walk in the pen and she sees the syringe of yucky meds in my hand and takes off walking away from me. She was walking out and gave me this sassy look, then turned and let me give the meds. She hasn't felt like walking away in three weeks.
So then she went over to the gate by the feed room and was nickering and tossing her head impatiently until I got her hay, then was tearing into it. Meanwhile, she had a normal stance, and was not shifting much, and picked up all her hooves for me right away.

Does anyone want to trade horses with me? I'm tired of mine. She has too much will to live, and always seems to rally just at the last second in order to make the decisions more difficult. It really is one day at a time here. Thankfully we are 5 minutes away so can go twice a day, and I am just working a little extra to pay for her treatments. Having quite a flu season and some unreliable staff, so many extra shifts available. So the only dilemma really is Halla's well being, and what is best to do and when.
 
#1,700 ·
Thanks, @phantomhorse13, it's still tricky.

Halla has been eating well, not lying down very much, walking more, looking pretty contented. So it still has not been clear each day that she needs to be put down right away.
I was reading a lot online about clog type shoes and how they can relieve pain in some horses, and was interested in this style:


Yesterday I experimented to see if raising her heel might help her feel better. So I used duct tape on pads I cut to raise her heel up and basically "float" her toe so it was off the ground. When I walked her, she walked off taking big steps and not limping. Since this was not a stable system, I cut pads to fit inside her Cloud boots and did the same basic thing, except I couldn't quite get her toe completely off the bottom, so I put a small pad underneath.
She still was walking a lot better than before.

So now I am wondering if she were to go permanently into some type of shoe like a heart bar with a wedge pad, if she might not have pain, especially after her hooves grow out. She's down to 1 gram of Bute, which can be a maintenance dose per the vet.
Still very unsure about things.

Meanwhile, I had to rub Irish Spring soap over all the wooden surfaces in the pen where the horses are staying at night, since Amore has been chewing it all up. I haven't had her in a pen with wooden posts for awhile (she was in metal before) so forgot how much of a beaver she has always been.
 
#1,701 ·
About the Rascal:

His owner rode him the day before yesterday, down to and onto the beach for the first time. Apparently, his owner really liked his new western saddle, and when I checked Rascal yesterday he didn't seem sore at all from it. The report was that he went down the dune with no problem, trotted and even cantered a little with minimal bucking, and his owner did not fall off. He seems to have been happy with the ride. Nala's rider said he was trying to get Rascal to go down into the water, but I haven't worked with Rascal on that yet so she discouraged that, thankfully. They can really jump and spook at first until they get used to the movement of the waves.

Yesterday we took Nala and Rascal out, and had a great ride. It was very sunny which means cold for here, and the wind was brisk. It was in the low 40s.

My work has been very busy with a full ICU for weeks and people who insist on getting sicker and causing us to agonize over treatment decisions before they get better. So much lies on the nurse's shoulders - when to notify the doctor, what meds to give and when. Between that and Halla's situation, it has been a bit stressful. After work I slept four hours, and then I was very ready for some stress relief.

Let me tell you, nothing felt better than getting out with Nala and Rascal, and we just let those two horses go at a good pace down the beach. The most difficult part with Arabs and TBs is when they don't yet have enough training to be trusted to respond well, so you have to keep them slower than their mental pace. Once you are communicating well, any nervousness or excitement can be burned off by letting the lid off the pot, and this makes for a relaxing time (in my book). Fast and relaxed versus slow and tense.

Rascal's working trot is very nice, and he moves out and keeps up a nice rhythm. It would work well for endurance, and he has that natural work ethic that many TBs have. Without any pushing, he just picks it ups and goes until you tell him to stop. He is also getting much better at the canter, although it is still a lot of work for him, especially in deeper sand. We went down about 2.5 miles with a strong tailwind, and the horses did much better with that than when we turned around and it was blasting our faces.

I experimented with letting him out for a few strides at a time so he can start getting ready mentally for galloping. My strategy is to build the excitement level slowly once the horse gets to working well, so you don't have that insane adrenaline rush that comes from galloping a horse suddenly.

Into the headwind, Rascal did buck a few times. Most of the time he just does one, and I canter him forward out of it, but he started really getting into it in the deep sand and on the third buck it started getting bigger and more enthusiastic so I pulled his head up.

He's starting to really tolerate Nala taking different directions and transitioning into different speeds, even getting farther ahead of us or behind. He's also moving very straight but learning that my steering helps him avoid obstacles.
There was a lot of traffic and dogs, which I could feel was causing my horse up to about a level 3/10 of apprehension when we passed by cars and things. A big truck was coming up behind as Nala suddenly took off, and I felt him get up to about a level 6, so I called out for Nala's rider to slow down, she turned back and immediately he was calmer again.

On the way back, just after the bucking, Nala shot forward into the wind and Rascal leaped into a gallop. On stride three (each bigger than the last), I shouted, "Oops, I lost him!" so Nala's rider would hopefully pull up. The funny thing was, as soon as I yelled, Rascal's ear twitched back and he slowed into a canter. This was something that would never have happened with Halla in a million years. Once excited, we always had a long negotiation to get back to a normal speed.

By the time we got home, I was feeling quite contented about the ride. Rascal is turning into the kind of horse I really enjoy, and it felt to me like we were developing some trust and communication, and he felt as though he enjoyed the ride and was starting to have some fun going out. He feels sound and powerful so far, and we turned around the first time he breathed out in a snort. So hopefully we can keep building on this.
 
#1,702 ·
That's great news! Mark one up for the DFT pain theorist. What about the Cloud insert that is wedge shaped for that purpose? I know you said the Cloud boot was already wedge shaped some but they have that insert to wedge it more. Not a cheap wedge but......

I'm sure you've looked at it but here it is again Easyboot Cloud Insert Pad | EasyCare Inc.

Irish Spring wouldn't work for Roman. I had to put it where he couldn't get to it.
 
#1,703 ·
What about the Cloud insert that is wedge shaped for that purpose? I know you said the Cloud boot was already wedge shaped some but they have that insert to wedge it more. Not a cheap wedge but......
I'm trying to find another pad that is more durable. That insert came with the boots, but it compresses down to 1/4 inch thickness after a day or so. So it's only wedge shaped for a short while.

I'm on the fence, reading many sites that say heel elevation is not the way to go. I'm wondering if just padding the back half of the hoof without necessarily raising it might be helpful. More experimentation needed. Tonight when I led her around in her small pen she was "cruising" as DH said. So she definitely feels far more comfortable.
Big dilemma since we are leaving on a several week long trip at the end of March, and if she is going to stabilize I need some kind of boot, pad or shoe solution so I can know she will stay comfortable. Otherwise I will have to figure something else out, if she still needs frequent care and watching. Either get her to a friend I trust or bring them to her.

Irish Spring wouldn't work for Roman. I had to put it where he couldn't get to it.
What? Did he eat the Irish Spring? That is crazy.
 
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#1,707 ·
Having a bit of Oregon Coast weather here at the moment so I've been playing on the computer and decided to educate myself about clogs you mentioned.

I am very excited to have discovered that EDSS has a composite clog plus attachments and they are not expensive at all.

Even better, there is an hour long presentation for application and installation on a laminitic horse with cushings by none other than Gene Ovnicek himself!

The before and after results are dramatic. Gene Ovnicek is the only person I would leave my horse with and walk away if needed. He spends his winters about 70 miles from me. I actually ran into him at a hardware once.

Maybe you've already checked it out but if not, here it is: EDSS Steward Clog - Brown
 
#1,708 ·
Things took a turn with Halla a couple days ago. I've been watching for abscessing, knowing it can be very common after founder. Her soles started getting deep grooves of separation around the edges, and her worst hoof started coming up around the sides, the sole was starting to loosen and come off. I knew if that came off, the small amount of protection over the coffin bone would be gone. I looked at pictures of exposed coffin bones online, and we decided we would not risk that happening.

So we made the appointment to put her down today.

It was a beautiful and sunny day here, and my day off, the vet was available, and so was the man who runs the tractor at the farm.

We went out several hours early (DH and I) and Halla had a very good day. With some extra Bute, she was eager to get out of her pen for the first time and walk around eating grass. We gave her apples and carrots, and brushed her, and the sunshine made her coat look glossy and bright.

People from the barn wandered through, there was a new puppy to cheer us up, hugs all around and stories told. One of the horse owners had just put down her very old dog that afternoon, so that was a very long hug. Tears flowed.

On the other hand, we could see how different Halla was. She enjoyed herself very much, but when we turned her loose after being pent up for weeks she did not even try to trot, just walked slowly. Even with her horrible knee injuries and previous founder episode she always tried to trot to see if she could. Also she did not roll, or pay much attention to Amore or Nala, but grazed on her own, which she would never have done normally.
So I believe she knew that her place in the herd was changing and perhaps horses detach knowing the herd would naturally move on without them if they couldn't keep up. We also knew that the damage she was doing with the grass, treats and movement would make her pain much worse tomorrow, if we somehow changed our minds.

We hugged Halla and she leaned on us and enjoyed the attention. When it came time to walk over to where the vet would be, she did not want to go. It wasn't that she knew anything, but rather she thought we were going to put her back into her little pen. Which confirmed to me that she would never have been happy living like that long term, even if we could have stabilized her hooves somehow.

The vet sedated her and then gave the euthanasia, and she went down easy. We helped move her a few feet into the side of the hill and watched her buried. Rebel's owner brought daffodils, which we put on top of the hill. She is lying next to Dexter and Simba, two old horses we've seen pass since I began boarding at the farm, and the flowers were blooming over Simba's grave where his owner planted them a couple years ago.

We brought Nala and Amore over to see Halla's body and sniff her, and then they both moved on with their lives as horses often do. The vet said horses deal well with death, but not with a horse going suddenly missing, so she recommended that we show them that Halla was dead so they didn't get upset and look for her tonight. They went in their pens and began eating as if that did help them.

We will continue to cry and grieve, of course, but I think we are coping well. It is very helpful to have Amore to dote on, and our other pets as well.

I suppose I could feel bitter about losing my horse too soon. But I understand how blessed I was to have owned such a wonderful horse for nine years. Every day was a priceless gift.
 
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