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        10-12-2010, 08:07 PM
      #31
    Trained
    Get something with ivermectin and praziquantel as the main ingredients. Pyrantel pamoate isn't going to get rid of tapeworms. You should be rotating your dewormers. Young horses can have very heavy parasite loads.

    I cannot stress this enough. If he has no fat elsewhere with a belly that big it's very likely your wormer isn't doing the job. Talk to your vet, get a fecal done, and if needed deworm him again. If he's free & clear alright you wasted $20, but you know that isn't the problem.

    Check out this article: http://equisearch.com/horses_care/he..._guide_050808/

    By just deworming with pyrantel pamoate you're allowing several species to continue to "hatch" in his body. You need to use a product that can kill them in their various stages.
         
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        10-12-2010, 10:22 PM
      #32
    Foal
    Well, more stuff I didn't know about. I'm a new horse owner and there is a lot I need to learn.

    So, by the looks of that chart and dewormers, Moxidectin-Praziquantel in the form of Quest Plus looks to be the most complete of the wormers.

    I hope it is available locally.

    Thanks!

    I'll get a fecal test done this week. No sense in stressing his system and at least I will know what I am dealing with.
         
        10-12-2010, 10:41 PM
      #33
    Yearling
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    PLEASE do not give any Quest de-wormer to your mini!

    I found out recently that it has a severely high incidence of overdose and death, even with proper dosing..... especially in foals, older horses, and especially miniatures.
    It is too effective.

    I do agree that you should rotate your worming products, but I do not use Quest products, not even on my riding horses.
    I just won't take the chance, I would never forgive myself.


         
        10-12-2010, 11:05 PM
      #34
    Foal
    ****. Well thanks Cassandra. What wormer would you recommend? It is hard to find stuff locally for miniatures, they are not well supported around here. I couldn't even find him a flymask that would fit so I made one for him.

    In fact, it seems to me that many horse people locally don't consider mini's a horse at all. I actually get the feeling they look down on mini owners. Is this a common theme?
         
        10-12-2010, 11:45 PM
      #35
    Yearling
    Sorry...
    You can of course make your own educated decision on whether you should or should not give Quest to your mini, the internet is great for getting info.
    I just know my personal choice would be to not.

    I have a rotation schedule that my Veterinarian mailed out to all their clients.
    I can give you that information if you want, but I also know that the schedule, and type of wormer, varies depending on your location, because of the differences in season, etc...
    Although, ours might be the same seeing as how our seasons are very much alike?

    I think the best idea would be to call and see if your Equine Vet has a rotation schedule for your specific region.
    They may also sale wormer at their office, but it would probably be high priced and limited....

    We live in a fairly small area, and our Ranch and Home store also is limited on what they carry.
    I have found that with 9 horses, I save a lot of money by ordering my years rotation from horse.com aka Country Supply Catalog.
    The prices are much lower than local, for the same exact products.
    Of course you do not have to get a full years worth in, I just do it for convenience and the free shipping.
    There are other catalogs you can order from, I've just found their over all less expensive than the others I've come across.

    Yes, it is also very rare to find any type of miniature horse supplies around here, even just halters!
    Seems like the best idea again is mail order, as much as I hate it! I would much rather "handle" some thing before I buy it....
    There are more people in our area that have minis than we would have ever expected, so you would think stores would cater a little more, but oh well.

    I do not run into any kind of "mini-discrimination" around here.
    We are very warmly greeted at parades and special local events!
    There are even some businesses and "group" homes, etc., that even "reserve" a group of us with minis for their fundraisers and things.

    I think that most people probably think "okay, so they are cute, but what good are they" ?
    I don't think they realize how much you can do with a mini, until you educate them about it.
    But in the end, really, who cares what others think, right?!

         
        10-13-2010, 12:07 AM
      #36
    Foal
    Thanks again Cassandra.

    Being in Canada, I've discovered that some types of pet supplies, especially medical stuff, is quite restricted. We have strict import laws on ridiculous stuff sometimes. Also, many US based companies will simply not ship to Canada, and if they do it has to come through distributer who has to make their mark up along the way. I too hate buying stuff without being able to touch it.

    There are not a whole lot of mini owners in my immediate area and being new to the whole horse scene I haven't made a whole pile of friends yet. I have a really good neighbour who knows horses very well so he has been a great help to me. Minis aren't really his thing but he helps where he can. I would probably meet more if I started showing but to be honest my horses aren't exactly show material and neither am I LOL.

    I'll talk to my vet and see what they say, and I know my neighbour has some wormer he swears by but has to import it somehow as it is not available locally. I'll check with him as well.
         
        10-13-2010, 08:30 AM
      #37
    Trained
    Thanks Cassandra, I'm glad you saw that first! I was like NOOOOOO I don't know about minis, but moxidectin can cause problems in very young and old horses.

    I would give an ivermectin/prazinquantel dewormer now, but it is a really good idea to just set up a visit with your vet. They can give your boy a once over and let you know if anything else is needed too.

    You guys should be in my area. Tons of stuff for minis and small ponies. Nothing for large/cob sized ponies. I'm having a hell of a time finding stuff for Lily that actually fits.
         
        10-13-2010, 09:18 AM
      #38
    Foal
    They shouldn't be allowed to sell stuff that has that kind of problems.
         
        10-13-2010, 10:12 AM
      #39
    Trained
    Well, it isn't supposed to have problems in mid-aged horses and it's the only stuff that will take care of everything. Part of the problem with de-wormers is people have been using incorrect dosages of them for years and years. This has created worms that are resistant to certian de-wormers.

    Scientists have to find new chemicals that will kill the worms without harming the host (horse). The hardest part of this is that worms aren't all that different than horses. Alot of the chemicals that will be harmful to a worm are harmful to horses. There really is a small amount of differences that we can target in a worm's biological cycle without harming a horse. Most wormers are poisionous to horses, but we have been able to get by with the small guns before. Now we'ver created resistant worms and we have to pull out the big guns. And they're unfortunately more dangerous for the host. They're even starting to show some resistance to ivermectin in some areas....

    I've used Quest in my 9 y.o. Gelding with no problems. But I never used it in my 30 y.o. Mare and I wouldn't recommend it for a young horse either.
         
        10-13-2010, 11:36 AM
      #40
    Yearling
    Welcome & Welcome.

    LittlemanRob, let us know what you find out on all that.
    I forget what it is like getting things to and from Canada, sorry about that.
    If your neighbor all ready has some good "connections", maybe you can order your supplies together to save some money?

    MN Tigerstripes, good information!
    It is too bad that in trying to help keep our loved ones healthy, we might be causing more harm....

    I do wish there were stricter rules and regulations on informing the public on products like these. Whether it is in the advertising or marked fully on the packaging.
    We just assume because it has been allowed out there for use, it has been decided it is SAFE for use on a living creature.

    I do realize, everything has it's risks.
    I guess I've learned to really do my home work with any new product that comes available so I can make an educated decision on if I want to use it.

         

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