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    10-05-2009, 09:57 AM
I have to vent

I read so many threads here and there about buying a horse to "rescue" them. I am all for rescue and am one of the original co founders of Chances Mini Horse Rescue.

But when you BUY a horse from a bad breeder you are encouraging them to breed more. Its a viscous circle that never ends. The only way to stop these "breeders" is to stop buying from them. The only thing they understand is money. So if they can't sell foals and have to give them away they will stop breeding.

Its so discouraging for breeders like myself that de worm, feed the best feed and hay, trim hooves and actually vet our horses to see people buy from these dis reputable breeders instead of buying from us.

I cannot tell you how many people have come here and exclaimed how well taken care of the horses are and how they are handled and friendly and trained etc. But then they will go to another farm and buy one for 150.00 because it "needed them" Then they call me in a panic because the horse is sick etc. Or it ends up they can't get the papers they were promised and on and on the list goes.

I am always happy to help anyone and any horse. But it gets really frustrating when I see these bad farms still breeding because someone will always come along and pay money for the horse and on the cycle goes.

I cannot sell horses for $200.00 because I actually take care of mine. So many times that 200.00 horse turns into a 1000.00 horse overnight in vet bills.

Sorry just had to get that off my chest :)
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    10-05-2009, 10:26 AM
I can understand and agree with your rant. I think those people who buy those horses are not serious buyers but spur of moment buyers who see a horse for $150 and that is what they can afford. These are not your customers, these are people who don't have a clue. These are the people who eventually abandon or abuse those horses, maybe out of ignorance but none the less.

If you are breeding quality horses, your buyer is more discriminating and probably knows the difference. Just like there are buyers for the lower end products that Kmart sells, there are buyers who know the difference between quality and cheap. It is unfortunate that we are not talking about a TV but rather a living creature.
    10-05-2009, 10:26 AM
I understand where you are coming from.. But sometimes it is the breeders "going out of business sale" so people are buying from them and they won't be breeding anymore. That's how I ran into the ones I am getting. She isn't going to breed anymore and the kids lost interest. But I do know where you are coming from. And if it were me in your shoes I would most likely feel the same way.
    10-05-2009, 10:30 AM
[quote=CowGirlUp9448;420368]I understand where you are coming from.. But sometimes it is the breeders "going out of business sale" so people are buying from them and they won't be breeding anymore.quote]

That's true but a special exception to the backyard breeder. That is more like finding a gem out of a bunch of rocks but you need to know the difference as you seem to.
    10-05-2009, 10:35 AM
No offense Kay Kay but somehow I feel this thread is about me and the thread I recently started. This lady is selling off all of her stock so she wouldnt be breeding anymore.
    10-05-2009, 08:17 PM
Mountain please don't take offense but your thread and many others are what led to my rant. Sorry! I am not specifically saying YOU but so many stories that are very similiar. And I hate to sound harsh but the "going out of business" is used a lot especially to excuse not registering horses like they should have. Then a year later that farm is still breeding. Kinda like stores that have a 2 year going out of business sale LOL. Now the farm here might actually be stopping---but it is a ploy used by a lot of disreputable farms.

My heart ACHES when I see pictures of horses standing in filth, never trimmed, obviously never dewormed etc.

I have done rescue on my own and with cmhr for years and years. It is very risky to take them in and financially and emotionally it can be devastating. I took in a pony a couple years ago that seemed fine, just a little thin and obviously had not been dewormed in awhile. We immediately put her on a de worming program, vetted her etc. Unfortunately the damage was already done. 6 months later her intestines started coming out through her anus. The worm damage was so severe and all I did was put it off for a bit by deworming her but it all caught up in the end. The vet said there was absolutely nothing we could do except euthanize her. It still haunts me that we had to put down a beautiful 5 year old mare in the prime of her life because someone wouldnt spend a couple bucks on dewormer :( But when I took her I knew I was taking a risk.

Sorry for venting, just sometimes you feel like you are going to explode.
    10-05-2009, 09:42 PM
Right, but not everybody buys horses from people like that out of ignorance. Some people, not knowing any better. I know the situation at hand and am not going in there blind. I know that it is going to take some time and care. Im prepared for it. I have no illusions that damage might already be done. I am choosing to take this foal and prepare for the worst because she, unlike other foals from breeders that know what their doing, doesnt have a good life. So yes, I am taking her because I feel that she deserves a life of dignity and respect. It wasnt her fault that the breeder bred the way she did. So she shouldnt be punished by living a life of neglect and pain. I know full well what I'm getting into I've seen all too many times. Horses are living things and deserve to have respect. Alot of people forget about this and treat them like they are objects. She may not be as conformationally correct as some of your stock but she still has a place in this world and still deserves a chance at life. So I'm sorry if my choice offended you or pissed you off but your animals are well taken care of and arnt in immediate needs of homes. They are safe. She isnt well taken care of and doesnt get the comfy barn stalls that yours get. So yes, I am going to take her.
    10-05-2009, 10:23 PM
I agree with this, but sometimes people go with what they can afford and DO take very good care of their horses. For example, my first horse ever was bought by my uncle for $40 from an auction and he was so weak that they literally picked him up and put him in the back of the trailer. He turned out just fine and I wouldn't change it if I could. I love my grade horses that were a bargain and required a little work, so it's not always like the people buying the cheap horses are doing it to be careless.
    10-06-2009, 10:20 AM
Mountain Im not pissed at anyone except the breeders that do this. I feel strongly that every horse has value wether its registered, grade, pet quality, show quality--- none of that matters. I would never be mad at anyone for taking a horse out of a bad situation. I was just venting my frustration.

I can assure you that every horse here is loved weather they are show quality, pet quality---makes no difference. They are never treated like "objects"
    10-06-2009, 12:47 PM
I understand you frustrations with people like this and trust me I share it. I was so pissed when I left that house that I had half a mind to ask dad to turn around. The whole time I inspected her I bit my tongue because of this womans lack of care and or knowledge. I can't say whether she was doing it out pure carelessness or just simply didnt know any better but she shouldve known since she had 10 or more other big horses outside. I've tried to explain to her that she can't do this that it's wrong that her animals need care, hoof, worming and vet care. She wouldnt listen and chooses to ignore my advice. She says their fine.. I've tried to explain the consequences of such blatant ignorence or lack of care and she again rebuted my advice and ignored it. So.. my feelings are that she just doesnt care. Im not buying her because I don't know any better. I'm buying her to get her the hell out of there and give her a life she deserves. No she's not show or breed quality, but that's a bullet I've chosen to bite, as in the beginning that's what I was looking for but when I took a look at her and actually seen how sweet she was, after she warmed up to me.. I couldnt turn away.

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