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post #11 of 37 Old 12-15-2010, 09:34 PM
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E-collars have their place and your dog might do well with one, but if you go that route I'd suggest hiring a trainer to show you how to use it properly. They make it very easy to create more of a problem than you started with.
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post #12 of 37 Old 12-15-2010, 11:06 PM
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Until you can 100% trust this dog wont hurt the horses, keep it on leash anytime it's around them. Several of my friends have had minis attacked, some killed, by dogs. Not their dogs, but strays, but still... I'm sure with time and training your cute new furry friend will be fine, but I would definately be more worried about the damage a dog would do to a mini vs the other way around.

What's your new cutie's name? (Sorry if I missed it?)
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post #13 of 37 Old 12-15-2010, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses View Post
I would aggressively discipline the dog EVERY time it barked at ANY horse. My idea of aggressive and yours might vary but as long as you do it every time and it makes the dog uncomfortable then you should be able to break the habit.
I second this opinion.... I would agrressively discipline whenever the dog looks at a horse.... use a "no horse" command or something like that.... I do the same with my dogs with the cat and the rabbit and even the pet mouse... they know when I say no-certain animal, they leave it immediately.

You are the boss of your dog. You will not hurt it's feelings by yelling NO HORSE but if you have to rehome it because you did not train it, that will hurt it's moral.

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post #14 of 37 Old 12-16-2010, 01:42 AM
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We have belgian malinois. All of them are good around the horse, but Cinder (the oldest). She wasn't around horses when she was a puppy. The others were.
We can never trust her around the horses, and she is never let off the leash in the barn. Mals have very strong prey drive. She barks at the horses and would chase them if we let her.
If she is out with me feeding I always have to watch her.

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post #15 of 37 Old 12-16-2010, 03:27 AM
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I second what Kevin and CheyAut posted. Aggressively correct the behavior every single time and don't ever let him off leash. If you lose control of him for one instant and a bark or a lunge sends a mini running, then his prey drive will be ignited and there will be no stopping him. With as big as he is, one well placed bite could mean the end of a horse's life. Not to mention the risk to the dog, we had a dog get kicked in the head and he had nearly constant seizures until we put him down the same day.

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Lots of GREAT tips and suggestions. Some make me sad...the idea of NEVER letting her off the leash around the minis. I *really hope it doesn't come to that. I have a fenced acre (that includes house, pool/patio/barn and paddocks, etc) and the whole point is that all my animals can run free together. Some of you have "real" farms where you can keep the animals separate. I have a "fake suburban farm" LOL.

This dog is 2 years old, so I feel she is still trainable (I am no expert, tho) and she is only 40 lbs (I think she looks bigger in that picture.)

smrobs-what a sad story about that dog, and that is exactly what I am trying to avoid. And I totally know what you mean about the "prey drive." When I first introduced this dog to my chihuahua, the dog was not aggressive, BUT, when my chi acted like prey (basically running away) that set the new dog into a frenzy. My chi *acts* like prey around other dogs, it is so frustrating! I will say that now there is NO problem, they just had to get used to each other.

Citrus-this is what I am thinking, too. I have been kind of avoiding it by leaving the dog inside when I am feeding or taking minis from the paddocks to the small pasture on the other side of my yard, but I may need to confront this head on.

Chey-yes, a mini donkey that lived behind my friend's house was killed by stray dogs. So awful!

Her name (chosen by my DD, I am not 100% thrilled with it, LOL) is SNOOKI! :)

equinphile-The guy across the street has a GSD. Soooo smart. Same type of thing, he just has to yell certain things to it, and the GSD obeys so wonderfully! I would LOVE to get to that point with my dog!

churum-I will do that if I get desperate! We have a small fenced in chain link fence area that I let the dogs out in the morning. I can't relax 100%, though, because I have seen this dog try to dig under, and I know she could scale the fence if she wanted to. My neighbor told me he made his chainlink fence electric for about a month and even tho it is no longer electric, his dog will NEVER try to get out now. I thought that was pretty smart and may try it.

coffeeaddict (I am sipping my coffee right now, BTW, mmmm!)-We are signed up for a 6 week obedience training class which starts in Jan...I am REALLY looking forward to it. This dog absolutely knows "sit", "paw", "down" and "roll over" BUT...certainly not if she is overly excited! She forgets all those commands.

Twice she has darted out of the house when a door has been left open and TORE OFF. I mean, I really thought she was gone forever. Especially because she is black and she got out at night, I thought a car would hit her. We kind of think she has greyhound in should see her RUN! No amount of calling her name and shouting "sit" would help. That is why I CANNOT let her go with my you said, I have no control over her at the moment unless she is on the leash. I am hoping that the training will help that. I want to be able to walk down the driveway and check the mail with her at my side with no leash...but I feel we are VERY far from that right now.

fly-Oh, I love Belgian Mals!!! Good, smart dogs also.

You guys are so helpful. Thanks! I will keep you updated.
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I bought a border collie early this year to help with gathering cattle and she responded very well when I was on the ground or had her on a leash but when I was mounted she mostly ignored me. I bought a shock collar and showed her some consequences for ignoring me and her behavior changed dramatically. The collor won't hurt your dog much (surely not as much as a car) but it makes them uncomfortable and takes the fun out of running off or chasing horses.

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A client of mine had a dog that chased her cats. To curb this she tried a shock collar and corrected him when he went after the cat. He had such a reaction that he lashed out at the nearest thing....the cat. Killed it instantly by breaking it's back.

I am not saying don't try a shock collar, but it's not always as simple as putting it on the dog and zapping it when he goes near the object of his desire. If you have a dog that reacts violently, and some do, then you will have a problem.

If you want to use one, please get a trainer.

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It probably is at least a good idea to keep it on some kind of leash or long rope until you know how the dog will react.

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post #20 of 37 Old 12-16-2010, 10:54 AM
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I would not go with an agressive or shock collar approach ! You just got this dog and there are other ways to train that can also help build trust.aggression means there is intent to do harm.

I would start by teaching a 'look' command and well as a 'leave it' command. At this point I would not let the dog off lead as you have not had it long. Let me know if you want a more in depth explaination of these two commands (I work for a dog trainer)

Hackles up and tail wagging only indicate stimulation, not necersarily aggression or happiness.

Your dog is super cute and definitely trainable !
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