It sounds as though she also has bundles of energy too. I would really work hard to stimulate her brain. Running and playing is different than "making her think". Get her training going with the basic commands building trust to you. If she is tired and listening then it is a lot easier to get your point across. So my suggestion is train train train then take her on a leash to the barn and let her smell and get to know the minis and horses. It sounds as though you just need to "desensitize her to something "new" and "exciting".
Our dogs are much more pleasant when they have been in consistant training. She needs to put her energy into some work so it doesn't get taken out on the minis. Good Luck with her and my personal opinion is to give her a fair chance of "learning how to be around them" and "meeting them" before taking aggresive actions. To me agressiveness will just teach her to possibly fear you (because your "new" to her) or she may listen and be fine when your around commanding her but God forbid your not around her one day, curiousity will probably get the best of her. Congrats on the new girl.
PS-I do actually use an e-collar on one if my dobermans but I really feel it depends on the dog. However, in your situation with her being new from the shelter I believe now is the time to teach proper obedience and build trust most of all...
I think shock collars are a great training tool but I have to 100% agree with Coffeeaddict on this one.
Originally Posted by coffeeaddict
E-collars have their place and your dog might do well with one, but if you go that route I'd suggest hiring a trainer to show you how to use it properly. They make it very easy to create more of a problem than you started with.
It might be best to hire a good behaviorist and have them come see your dog interact with your horses so you have a clear idea of what your dogs intentions are. This might change how you treat it.
Treating certain types of aggression with more aggression can lead to bad results, like was described above.
Glad you are going to take obedience classes. Step 1 of any good dog experience is to put yourself as the leader of your little pack and basic obedience is a great place to make that clear.
I would be a bit hesitant with the shock collar/aggresiveness thing. This dog was a shelter dog after all and there is know telling what her life was like before you met her. Deffinatly be firm but I would be careful with being too aggressive. Try using a "leave-it" command. When the dog looks at the horses, you say leave-it(or whatever word you choose) and then when she looks back at you, you reward. You could also try taking her to some obediane classes to get her listening to you and get some advice from the trainers there. She is a very pretty dog by the way and good job for rescuing her!!
IMO the priblem with shock collars is that you have to have perfect timing. Also if you over use them your dog will stop offering any behaviors - good or bad - because they are not sure what they have done to deserve the punishment. Posted via Mobile Device
I went and adopted a dog at the Humane Society about 10 days ago! A very sweet, 2 yr old, 40 lb black lab mix. She is such a good doggie! Potty trained, sweet as pie...just an all around good dog. The only thing is...i don't feel I can let her off the leash around my minis. She lunges at them and raises her hackles and seems somewhat aggressive. Now...maybe she wants to play? I kind of think she has never seen such a creature before...she barks at big horses, too. It is so funny....my minis look at her like she is a silly nusciance and nothing more. They do not even flinch. I have a feeling they could easily defend themsleves with a swift kick...but then again, I do not want any big vet bills for this dog!
Do you have a dog that acts like this around your minis/horses? Any advice? Is it just a matter of time? I would like to let the dog run free in our fenced in yard, but it includes the pasture and the paddocks/stalls and I am worried. Thanks!
Oh, here she is...Snooki!
I would spend a lot of time with her ON leash with the miniatures, and correct her the second she shows ANY sign of agressiveness or "playfulness". It could be she is playing, it might be she is not used to the horses either. Not really knowing what her background is, doesnt help, but she is young enough, you can definitely get her used to the horses and respect them.
I wouldn't under estimate the strength of a full sized dog. I've had a dog attack a miniature to the point where the miniature had to be put down. So keep an eye on the dog until you can trust her. She's absolutely gorgeous by the way!
I don't have time to respond to everyone individually, which is what I usually like to do. Just know I read each post and really enjoy listening to the opinions and feedback. I am not going to do the shock collar unless I have no other option. I am looking forward to obedience classes in January and I just found out a nearby dog park does agility demostrations each Sunday morning, with a free 30 min class immediately following.
This dog is *smart* and I can tell it needs stimulation. I do run her everyday to tire her out...just because I feel guilty to wake up, feed her, then leave her in the house for a few hours while I run errands or do whatever I need to do. So every morning we do the golf cart run I mentioned earlier.
Anyway, wish I could keep going but my countdown to Christmas has begun and I have TONS to do with housecleaning, shopping, wrapping etc. I am sure most of you do, too. I am feeling ~~stressed~~!
I'm sorry if you got the indication from my post that you can never let the dog off the leash around the horses because eventually you will likely be able to, though it may be months or years. With the proper training and some time to mature and bond to you then having her loose shouldn't be that big of a deal (though I wouldn't do it and leave her unattended at any point). I am also not a huge fan of shock collars but I would not hesitate to use one if I felt the situation dictated it.
Good for you, for deciding to rescue. However, the majority of rescue dogs, come with baggage and much of it, can be difficult to correct.
Step 1. Keep your dog away from the minis.
Step 2. Good obedience course with 'you' handling the dog and with lots of other dogs in the class. This teaches him to keep his eye on you with lots of stimulation going on around him. Be faithful in working him at home between classes.
Step 3. After the obedience classes are over, still work him at home on his commands. Add to his already known commands, the words 'leave it'. You can set up many types of experiences to do this. Put him on a 'down-stay' and put a toy a little way in front of him. Once given the command 'leave it', he is not to touch it until you give him the ok, or until you take it away. He is to learn to drop anything in his mouth, with this command also. This command is one of the most important lessons you can teach any dog.
After he is well trained in the previous, then on to..
Step 4. Have someone walk one of your minis and you, with your dog at heel and on leash, walk in the opposite direction, about 30 feet away. Do this over and over again. If your dog lunges or shows any interest at all, he is given the command 'leave it' and put on a sit. Resume the walk many times until he shows no interest. Gradually make the distance between mini and dog closer, until you can walk by each other, with your dog showing no interest. Praise when he shows no interest
After this is all done and he looks as though he's working well in every respect, put him on a long-line and work him. See if he will work well when not right by your side. Don't have the long line so long that he can actually reach the mini, but long enough so he's well away from you. If he does not respond, he's still not ready to be let loose with the horses.
You say he runs off. Work a lot on the long line, with recall. Praise when he comes to you but never scold him if he runs off, once you've caught him.
This should all help with getting your dog used to being around other animals and the horses. There's a lot more to this, but I have given you some basics. Don't allow anyone to wrestle play with the dog, until completely trained. No tug-o-war games either. I've trained a ton of dogs and many which went to Viet Nam for the troops. All dogs, whatever size or breed, should be trained IMO and with a shelter dog, one is dealing with the unknown. With good training, no electric collars should be needed. It's not a training method.
However, the majority of rescue dogs, come with baggage and much of it, can be difficult to correct.
This is absolutely not true. I have worked heavily in rescue all my life (mainly Pit Bulls) and have fostered hundreds of death row dogs in my lifetime. MOST of them do not have any real issues. The majority them end up in the shelter because of over-breeding, crappy excuses and lazy owners, NOT for behavioral problems. Those are the minority.
Just didn't want anyone to get a bad taste for rescues so I needed to address this.