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    01-01-2011, 11:53 PM
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new to minis...color and breeding/pedigree questions

Hi all,
So I am very new to minis but have owned morgans for 10ish years now. We recently were given a mini with a temporary registration and application for transfer (though expired not even sure if its possible to have it reinstated? Haven't gotten that far yet) and am very curious about his breeding. Like I said I own morgans and am very interested in their breeding and pedigrees, so my interest was sparked when I saw he had atleast some sort of lineage.
He is by Lucky four rangers imperial by roan ranger and out of a mare by komokos sundance and out of a king tiger daughter. Anyone know these horses or have any history?

It says he is a red dun but I don't think he looks like a red dun, is there a way to post photos?
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    01-02-2011, 12:27 AM
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I uploaded photos of oliver to a photo album in my profile. Any idea on his color? Winter woolies don't always help I'm sure. I also loaded photos of a mare pickles. Any idea on her color? We aren't sure of her breeding or if she's purebred but rescued her.

Any input on oliver's confirmatiob would be greatly appreciated, just for my knowledge.
     
    01-02-2011, 02:16 PM
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Pickles is silver black.



Oliver is silver bay or silver brown (most likely the latter)




Colors on papers for minis are very often wrong... probably more often than they're right ;)

Yes, you can make him permanent, there's just a higher fee. Is he AMHA or AMHR? Do you have a signed transfer from the owner on the papers to you? If that isnt' who you brought him from, is the buyer part blank? If not, do you have a signed transfer from the "buyer" to you? You'll need that/those.

If he's AMHA, you'll need these, assuming you already have him signed over to you on his papers or a transfer form...
Work order: http://www.amha.org/pdf/gap/WorkOrderFeeSchedule.pdf
Each transfer is $15 if before 6 months, $25 if after 6 months (so if you bought him from the owner on record, one transfer fee... if you have other owners with signed transfers in between, you have to pay a transfer fee for each person IIRC).
The late permanent fee for a stallion is $120, for a gelding it's $20. If he's a gelding but still with the registry as a stallion, then you need to send in a gelding form as well. You also have to become a member of AMHA (you'll get a nice magazine lol) which is $65.
Here's the form to take him permanent: http://www.amha.org/pdf/reg/Temp2Perm.pdf
If you don't have a signed transfer, but can get the seller to sign, here's the form: http://www.amha.org/pdf/reg/Transfer.pdf
And if you need to change him from stallion to gelding, http://www.amha.org/pdf/reg/GeldingVerificationForm.pdf


If he's AMHR, basically the same rules apply...
Transfer form: http://www.shetlandmini.com/attachme...NSFER_2010.pdf
Permanent: http://www.shetlandmini.com/attachme...ent_Status.pdf
Gelding form: http://www.shetlandmini.com/attachme...rification.pdf
Work order: http://www.shetlandmini.com/attachme.../72/CustWk.pdf
For R, membership of $65, transfer $15/25, temp to perm $10, regardless of gender (much nicer!). With R you don't have to be a member, but if not, fees are doubled.

I have a subscription to AMHA studbook (not R), and would look him up, but you only mentioned his sire's name, and his dam's parent's names. His sire has 51 foals registered with AMHA, 23 of which are status RV, which almost always means they weren't brought permanent.
     
    01-02-2011, 07:35 PM
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What we have is an application for transfer from the person who sold the horse to the people who gave the horse to us. There is a name previously scribbled out on the buyer name line. Also is a copy of his temp papers. The name on temp papers and seller on transfer are the same and transfer is signed. Papers are from amhr.
I know this is probably going to be a pain but heck why
     
    01-12-2011, 04:08 PM
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Hey.... what cheynut says is correct I just wanted to add some history about Roan Ranger(I love researching bloodlines lol ) I have a picture on my website of him that was given to me by his last owners also have a link on my website to their website. (SG Miniatures) they know a lot about different miniature bloodlines and was the trainer/manager at NFC (major mini farm in the 80's and early 90s) aandbminis
Here is a link for info on Komokos Sundance
Komokos Sundance Page

Hope you have found out what you needed to transfer....I know it can get expensive just had to reinstate my stallion I bought this last year but luckily I got in before the half off deal expired
     

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