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        11-09-2011, 04:50 PM
      #31
    Trained
    I wonder if part of the problem with our culture is that children stay children too long. It seems that the age where kids have to start taking responsibility is getting older and older. Maybe being a part of a cohesive family unit and being expected to pull your own wieght and a little more is better for a kid than sitting in front of the TV watching idiotic cartoons.
         
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        11-09-2011, 05:03 PM
      #32
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    I wonder if part of the problem with our culture is that children stay children too long. It seems that the age where kids have to start taking responsibility is getting older and older. Maybe being a part of a cohesive family unit and being expected to pull your own wieght and a little more is better for a kid than sitting in front of the TV watching idiotic cartoons.
    Well it depends on the age and what you would consider responisiblities. IMO I think a lot of kids are already growing up too fast. I'm only 18 but I see 6 y/o's with cell phone, laptops and ipods and have already left a lot of their childhood behind, of course NOT all kids are that way. And then again I see a lot of teens and people my age who are lazy and unnmotivated to do anything productive in their life. Others are eager to jump into an adult life, many of my friends who graduated with me are already married (or getting married) and living on their own, surprisingly. It's 50/50 in my opinion.
         
        11-09-2011, 05:34 PM
      #33
    Teen Forum Moderator
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    Originally Posted by crimson88    
    I agree with that statement. Especially where I live, there are a lot of people who literally "breed like rabbits" and though I don't know them personally, I can't imagine that their childern are getting the proper care just by looking at their poor living conditions.

    Perhaps that's why I find 19 kids and counting "disgusting" because to me, I feel it's sending the wrong message to people who cannot support a family and making it seem like it's easy to pump out kids and support them, when in reality it is not.
    poor living conditions? Well heck, someone call CPS because I think I'm being abused. I'm wondering how you think that they have bad living conditions? They have ample room in their home, plenty of food to eat, clothes on their backs, friends, great opportunity, good schooling, loving parents, and good attitudes. I fail to see how they are in any way neglected.

    Yes, maybe some of them don't get all of the attention they want- but what kevinshorses said is right. "the problem with our culture is that children stay children too long." Being given all of this unneccessary stuff such as hour of TV, going out whenever they want, not worrying about the future, etc- is actually killing our future generations. These parents are giving their children the responsibilities of an adult is small, easy to chew bites. They are expected to help the family out from an early age, and when they become adults- they will be well equipped, hard working individuals. Not twenty two year old 'still-a-kid-in-my-mind' young adults with no skills or drive to get anywhere in life.




    I am personally not a 'people person' and so would never want to have that many children, but I have absolutely no problem with large families, the Duggars in particular.

    I'm homeschooled, bible based, and I don't get much more than a glance from my mother at best on any given day; outside of being taught. I know she loves me and I'm willing to work as hard as I need to in order to get somewhere in life. My parents will not be able to send me to college because we ARE in debt, unlike the Duggars, and I only have two siblings. I'll have to make my own way in the life but the way I've been taught and the responsibilities that I've been handed even at 15 are going to help me suceed. I have a good head on my shoulders and dispite having dyscaculia disorder I'm an A student. At the same time, my little sister is competely unmotivated, you have to force her to do anything, and she doesn't care about her future. We're from the exactly same family.

    What I'm trying to say is that evironment effects a person, yes. But a persons character comes in to play as well. You can't just look at one of the kids or at one of the parents and say 'this is going to ruin the whole family. They wont get anywhere in life because they don't have the material or the wealth to do it. Thus, they must be doomed.'

    Anyone can do anything that they put their minds to.

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    Originally Posted by crimson88    
    Well it depends on the age and what you would consider responisiblities. IMO I think a lot of kids are already growing up too fast. I'm only 18 but I see 6 y/o's with cell phone, laptops and ipods and have already left a lot of their childhood behind, of course NOT all kids are that way. And then again I see a lot of teens and people my age who are lazy and unnmotivated to do anything productive in their life. Others are eager to jump into an adult life, many of my friends who graduated with me are already married (or getting married) and living on their own, surprisingly. It's 50/50 in my opinion.

    This might just be IMO, but I hardly consider moving out, getting married, and expecting to prosper at 17 or 16 'leaving childhood behind' or being 'mature.' They're going to have a heck of a lot of problems when they have kids and don't even have a good foundation. They'll be highschool-GED or graduates hardly able to pay for their housing, let alone food or extras, with one or two kids that they can't afford and so they will lean on the goverment for the stuff they can't provide.

    Meanwhile, children like the Duggars will be working their way up through society because they realize that you must work for whar you get.

    Doesn't seem like they're neglected to me :/
         
        11-09-2011, 06:05 PM
      #34
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by crimson88    
    The reason I find it "disgusting" is because the world is so close to being over populated (and already is in some places), how can they insure that all their childern can be successful in life? Even with the money they make off the TV show they aren't going to be able to pay for a higher education for all 20.

    I know it's their decision and they can do what they want but in my opinion it seems like all they are thinking about is themselves and not the rest of the world.


    Didn't the mom almost die on her 19th kid? What would happen if that happened to the 20th kid? Is dad going to just take care of all 20 kids on his own?
    Crimson-how can ANY parent, even with ONE child insure that. There are no guarantees that I am aware of.

    Endiku-I believe Crimson was referring to others who are in her area, not the duggars.

    I agree totally that they are polite god fearing hard working people.

    I am frankly amazed her uterus has not fallen out yet, and that she can still butter a piece of toast without peeing herself. Seriously-20 pregancies would take a SERIOUS toll on the body. We'll try not to think of the hemorrhoids.
         
        11-09-2011, 06:07 PM
      #35
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    Originally Posted by Endiku    
    poor living conditions? Well heck, someone call CPS because I think I'm being abused.
    I believe that she was talking about other people that she sees who have a lot of kids - not the Duggars.
         
        11-09-2011, 06:22 PM
      #36
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by AlexS    
    I believe that she was talking about other people that she sees who have a lot of kids - not the Duggars.
    That's correct. I was talking about people I see, where I live.
         
        11-09-2011, 06:52 PM
      #37
    Trained
    Good living conditions do not mean a good life and vice versa. You said yourself that you have no personal knowledge of the people you are refering to that "breed like rabbits". Many people have big, nice houses and put thier kids in expensive private schools and the kids never learn any morals or responsibility because thier parents never allowed them to learn it.


    The reason "farm kids" grow up to be so respectful and responsible is because they worked alongside thier parents and learned how much it took to buy that Ipod or pay the bill on that cell phone. Most people don't have the luxury of taking thier kids to work with them but every parent can take the time to explain the family budget to a greedy teenager and let them see that there are sacrifices made when they need something.

    From my experience the kids that grow up with less end up learning the value of hard work quicker than those that ge it handed to them.
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        11-09-2011, 09:21 PM
      #38
    Foal
    I think the Duggars look like a nice and loving family. Their kids have morals and values, which most kids don't seem to have. The only thing I'd be concerned about is how much time the parents spend with the children. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like they get one on one time, which I think is very important. As a child, I loved hanging out with my mom.

    I also don't understand why the 19 kids isn't enough? Her last baby, Josie, almost died. Michelle(the mom) is also at high risk of dying. I personally think that it's selfish for her to have another. If she dies, she leaves a HUGE responsibility of raising the 19 children to the father.
         
        11-09-2011, 09:40 PM
      #39
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by SRich    
    I think the Duggars look like a nice and loving family. Their kids have morals and values, which most kids don't seem to have. The only thing I'd be concerned about is how much time the parents spend with the children. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like they get one on one time, which I think is very important. As a child, I loved hanging out with my mom.
    They did a Q&A last night and this was one of the questions. When they run errands they take 1 or two kids with them and spend some quality time. On birthdays they always do a special birthday with a couple of their siblings (they choose) and they get to go shopping or go to a fun place and hang out for the day- they each get a turn and they make SURE to make it special and tailored to each kid. They truly are a remarkable family.
         
        11-10-2011, 09:38 AM
      #40
    Teen Forum Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crimson88    
    That's correct. I was talking about people I see, where I live.
    my appologies, I read that wrong.


    I still stand by everything else that I said, though.
         

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