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post #11 of 70 Old 01-06-2011, 02:31 AM
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No matter how many safety precautions you take accidents still happen. Thats why this is taught. I would rather my child have this skill and never have to use and then be in a situation where it is needed and not known.

While I agree that a 7 month old baby should never be unsupervised that is not allways the case. You cannot honestly say you have never looked away from your child while they were in the water. Your human. Thats the point of this. Your having a party, many kids and adults are there. Your watching your child play about 20 ft away form the pool. You refill your drink. This takes about 30 seconds. You look up and cannot see your toddler anymore. You run to the pool where an adult has pulled him out. He crawled over to the pool and was bumped by another child and fell in. He is safe and sound because he was taught to flip over on his back and swim.

Stuff like that happens all the time. It has nothing to do with bad parenting. It's life. Plain and simple.

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post #12 of 70 Old 01-06-2011, 03:02 AM
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No matter how many safety precautions you take accidents still happen. Thats why this is taught. I would rather my child have this skill and never have to use and then be in a situation where it is needed and not known.

While I agree that a 7 month old baby should never be unsupervised that is not allways the case. You cannot honestly say you have never looked away from your child while they were in the water. Your human. Thats the point of this. Your having a party, many kids and adults are there. Your watching your child play about 20 ft away form the pool. You refill your drink. This takes about 30 seconds. You look up and cannot see your toddler anymore. You run to the pool where an adult has pulled him out. He crawled over to the pool and was bumped by another child and fell in. He is safe and sound because he was taught to flip over on his back and swim.

Stuff like that happens all the time. It has nothing to do with bad parenting. It's life. Plain and simple.
If the child can walk then they should be learning how to swim. If the child can not walk, there's no way for it to end up in the pool. I don't know anyone with a child that young who would be letting the child crawl around unattended to get knocked into the pool. I actually knid of doubt anyone would put their kid down to crawl around near a pool. That's just an accident waiting to happen. And if it's a party I'd be worried about someone not paying attention and stepping on the baby.

I'm not saying if one decides to go this route, they are a bad parent. I can see how it's an attempt at a safety measure and that's fine. If people want to do it, go for it. I personally feel like, with a child that young, there's too much unknown as to how much the baby will understand of what it's supposed to do. And I really can't see how a baby that young would ever be in a position to end up in the water. It really just seems unrealistic to me, to have a baby that young around a pool and not be holding it the entire time.
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post #13 of 70 Old 01-06-2011, 03:39 AM
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Actually if you do a little research you will find that babies do amazingly in water and actually have the capacity to know when to hold their breath. It is a reflex that they have from birth to 6 months, where they will attempt to stabilize themselves and flip over and will hold their breath. Often times this reflex is weakened due to birthing trauma and should not be tested at home until after it has been done in a clinical setting. But some parents feel it necessary to build on this reflex before it starts to weaken naturally at 6 months of age. And it is a naturally occurring reflex, the baby does not have to be taught, it wont not know how to do it.

I have known some babies that loved to swim before they could crawl and it helped them immensly when it came to physical coordination. Over protecting your baby is not really a good thing at all it makes them weak and vulnerable. Babies who have had their reflexes such as this strengthened through practice are far less succeptable to drowning and other accidents.

That baby looks perfectly fine and under no duress at all. If you look at his face there are no signs of stress and he is looking around and motioning to the adults, leading me to believe that he is not in shock. I sincerely believe to discount this video as abusive or cruel is pure overreaction on the part of the viewer due to lack of information.

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post #14 of 70 Old 01-06-2011, 10:26 PM Thread Starter
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Well like I mentioned - I don't "disagree" with the whole concept of baby floating. It's this particular woman in this video and the way she handles that baby that disturbs me (as I've said in my other posts). To me she just acts like he's just a toy. Careless. And in all honesty - I personally think that the baby looks startled in several instances after being flipped or rolled over under water. And towards the end of the video he looks like he's gasping more than usual for air (not like he's drowning, but he's not breathing with ease either).

So again I'm saying - from my point of view - I'm not totally knocking the whole concept. I'm not saying that it's "for me" and for my child. But what I'm saying is that this video in particular disturbs me and I can't watch it. If it were me - if I decided to "swim train" or "self rescue train" my baby - I would be more reassuring to the baby so that it felt safe and secure and could trust what I would be doing, instead of acting like it's a toy and like I'm just showing off what I can do with it on video.

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I remember watching a clip on TV when I was a kid and totally amazed by it. People were tossing babies - many of them - in the water and they were doing underwater filming of it. As soon as they were under water all the babies started moving to swim. None freaked out and it was truly beautiful to watch.

Sometimes I think society today has become overprotective of everything.

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Just had to add this :
I did a bit more research on Baby Floating/Swimming (whatever you want to call it). And I found this on "Parenting" in an article specifically about baby swimming. It's an article with the facts and information of baby swimming.

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How to keep your baby safe

  • Keep her within arm's reach at all times.
  • Never rely on flotation devices -- there's no item or class that will "drown-proof" your child. That's why you're there.
  • Both the YMCA and the American Academy of Pediatrics do not recommend submerging your child. Newborns instinctively hold their breath when under water, but this reflex fades by about 6 months.

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post #17 of 70 Old 01-07-2011, 01:27 AM
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this really bothered me too.
I ..I don't know..I felt sad and surprised.I couldn't do that nor could I watch someone doing that to my child. Good thing I'm not having kids but I do have a neice and if someone did that to her I'd be very upset. I know why it is done..my mom tried doing it with my eldest sister...she sunk..never again..
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oh and I don't know when she did this and I don't think she stuck her underwater but not sure..annnyways...I would be too scared!
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Also - the AAP (American Academy of Pediactrics) states that :

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1. Children are generally not developmentally ready
for formal swimming lessons until after their
fourth birthday.

2. Aquatic programs for infants and toddlers should
not be promoted as a way to decrease the risk of
drowning.

3. Parents should not feel secure that their child is
safe in water or safe from drowning after participation
in such programs.

4. Whenever infants and toddlers are in or around
water, an adult should be within an arm’s length,
providing “touch supervision.”

5. All aquatic programs should include information
on the cognitive and motor limitations of infants
and toddlers, the inherent risks of water, the strategies
for prevention of drowning, and the role of
adults in supervising and monitoring the safety of
children in and around water.
6. Hypothermia, water intoxication, and communicable
diseases can be prevented by following existing
medical guidelines and do not preclude
infants and toddlers from participating in otherwise
appropriate aquatic experience programs.
7. Pediatricians should support data collection,
drowning prevention research, and legislation
aimed at reducing the risk of drowning in young
children in and around water.
Also - Water Intoxication is a huge risk to those babies doing the infant swimming.

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and here's one more quote from AAP :
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Giardiasis transmission2 and water intoxication with seizures3-8 make these programs somewhat hazardous. It is unlikely that infants can be made "water safe"; in fact, the parents of these infants may develop a false sense of security if they believe that their infant can "swim" a few strokes.
Here's where it's found on their site : Infant swimming programs -- 1 (9): 15 -- AAP News

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