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    01-01-2013, 03:19 PM
  #61
Yearling
Sorry, forgot to add that my mare has just had a foal so will be bringing her back into work after a good year off. She will get the bitted bridle on her even though she goes in a halter, just to jog her memory :) Then, if we have a lazy day, the rope halter will come out :P
     
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    01-01-2013, 03:20 PM
  #62
Yearling
I agree, but I think bitting up is a crucial part of training and people should save all the halter bitless stuff until they have accepted training with a bit.
     
    01-01-2013, 03:32 PM
  #63
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Originally Posted by ACowgirlThing778    
whatever. All I know is that every horse can be ridden bridleless with an educated rider
I strongly disagree. At least if by 'ridden' you mean 'under control of the rider, cooperating, and ending in a scheduled dismount.' Good, responsive bridle-less horses are made, not born. Same as talented, light-handed riders- they're made and trained, not born.

I ride my guy in a snaffle. I also ride him in a web halter. He tends to be a fearful/anxious horse who gets stiff and stops listening when he starts to get scared or confused/worried about what I am asking him to do (or do something new) or things going on around us. When he's in the bit, he's much more relaxed and relaxes quicker if he does get stirred up. He relies on the bit because he KNOWS what I am wanting him to do and he knows he can comply. He doesn't understand signals as well in the web halter. I'm trying to train him to listen more to my seat and legs than my hands, but that is a process, not innate or instant. If I am successful, it won't matter what's on his face because he won't be relying as much on it to 'hear' my requests, but for now, he is happier and less stressed when bitted and that may or may not ever change. The main factors that will decide are a) my skills at training him and b) his own preferences.
     
    01-01-2013, 03:48 PM
  #64
Yearling
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Originally Posted by ACowgirlThing778    
i did not mean with nothing on at all I ment with a hackamore or a halter
And what is the big deal in that? Will your horse perform correctly...as in being rounded, elevated in the front, engaged in the hind end, rated, perform a back (rein back), perform turns on the forehand and haunches etc? Are you using physical means to muscle your horse around to turn, back or whatever with JUST your hand? If you are then you are just going for a ride and playing around, without asking your horse to really do anything....pretty much like what Reiner was saying. And NO, not every horse can perform and DO these things I mentioned...which TRULY is riding, without a bit. The case of BSMS (did I get than name right? LOL) is a perfect example of a trained horse that relies on the communication a bit affords. That DOES NOT mean his horse is not well trained and he gets a performance from her....which means MUCH more than playing around with a halter or a hack.
     
    01-01-2013, 03:54 PM
  #65
Super Moderator
Thing that really ticks me off -
People who ride bitless and think they are all saintly and need to justify it by saying all people who ride with bits are the devils spawn
I love my horses, they have the best life I can give them so why would I want to do something to hurt them? Horses are pretty smart when it comes to anything pain related so if the bridle complete with bit was going to cause so much pain why do they not turn away from me when I walk towards them? My Irish Draft mare is now 17 and has been through several different owners, even kept as a working livery by one (used in the riding school to help pay her board) yet when I hold the bridle underneath her head she actually puts her head into it and opens her mouth for the bit to go in - now this is a horse that can be neurotic about some things and knows too well how to avoid something she doesnt like
All of my horses will ride bitless - though I prefer a leather side pull to a halter - but I know for a fact that in certain situations a bit is the better option for them - either for safety or for refinement.
I wonder if the 'bitless' only brigade only ever ride very placid horses that don't know the meaning of 'forward going? I mean I've ridden horses that stopped moving the minute you stopped kicking but they are not for me.
     
    01-01-2013, 03:58 PM
  #66
Foal
Ok..........
     
    01-01-2013, 04:01 PM
  #67
Yearling
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Originally Posted by jaydee    
Thing that really ticks me off -
People who ride bitless and think they are all saintly and need to justify it by saying all people who ride with bits are the devils spawn
I love my horses, they have the best life I can give them so why would I want to do something to hurt them? Horses are pretty smart when it comes to anything pain related so if the bridle complete with bit was going to cause so much pain why do they not turn away from me when I walk towards them? My Irish Draft mare is now 17 and has been through several different owners, even kept as a working livery by one (used in the riding school to help pay her board) yet when I hold the bridle underneath her head she actually puts her head into it and opens her mouth for the bit to go in - now this is a horse that can be neurotic about some things and knows too well how to avoid something she doesnt like
All of my horses will ride bitless - though I prefer a leather side pull to a halter - but I know for a fact that in certain situations a bit is the better option for them - either for safety or for refinement.
I wonder if the 'bitless' only brigade only ever ride very placid horses that don't know the meaning of 'forward going? I mean I've ridden horses that stopped moving the minute you stopped kicking but they are not for me.

LOL, my horse drops his head and opens his mouth to take the bit...I don't need to do anything. If he had hands, he'd tack himself up.
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    01-01-2013, 04:04 PM
  #68
Yearling
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Originally Posted by ACowgirlThing778    
ok..........
Seriously.....I have some questions. You came on here and made claims etc about bit vs bitless. So exactly what type of riding do you do with your horse??? I think I have an idea based on one of your first posts that said...putting in a bit and yanking the horse around. So that tells me, that is the way you ride...with all hand. So, set the record straight as I am genuinely curious. Give us some background on you and your horse and what you do. I'll do the same if you want.
     
    01-01-2013, 04:13 PM
  #69
Yearling
Subbing...This is a interesting thread.

Another thing too is that people who ride bitless AUTOMATICALLY think that their horse is in zero pain and that they will never be in pain.



Those red lines are the nerves in a horse's face. You can't possibly tell me that just because you ride bitless means that your horse isn't in pain, etc. Heck I've seen rope halters completely tear up a horse's face. It was very bloody and gruesome.

But hey, even bits can do that.
But you have to remember rope halters, bitless bridles, can and will do damage to your horse when prompted.

IMO there really isn't any difference between a bit and a bitless bridle when it comes to pain.
     
    01-01-2013, 04:34 PM
  #70
Foal
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Originally Posted by Socalgirl    
I think any horse can be safely controlled with a bosal, or well knotted rope hackamore. A regular rope halter would simply not do the same. Especially with a hot, or green horse. In my opinion they do not rub at all (unless you're hanging on the horses face). So yes horrible hands make bloody mouths and rub marks, but with a green rider I'd prefer them to hurt the horse less and use something they can't bully the horse they're riding with.

While I don't think bits are abuse, I do believe many people use them simply for the sake of showing. The ribbon winners, and such are so well trained they could easily be ridden without any tack but people use pain bits because... they want to compete. I just don't think this is just. But... it will always be that way sadly.

Ps just agreeing to disagree here, not starting a debate. (need more posts to do more things here)
I couldn't agree with you more. IMO if someone is going to ride a horse(well mannered or not) and pull on its face with any type of equipment they need to go back to step one and work on body control and posture. TOO many times do I see riders use their reins for balance. :(
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