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        06-29-2010, 05:15 PM
      #21
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by Marecare    
    After an appropriate time passes you might refer to this time in your life like people that lived through the 70's.

    You know, you bring out the old photos of the crazy haircuts and when you were dressed up in Disco cloths.....UGH!
    I beg to differ with you; I was totally hawt in my disco outfits and Dorothy Hamill haircut, but I didn't really start to shine until the 80s when big hair, tons of makeup, stiletto heels, leg warmers, and shoulder pads were in. I was da bomb, baby!
         
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        06-29-2010, 05:18 PM
      #22
    Weanling
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    Yeah, all the dog trainers I know highly dislike him also.
    Yep, most trainers I've known dislike his methods too. The way he tells people to handle their dogs, especially in the early years was a good recipe for getting bitten. Can't count the number of time I've gotten calls from people that have an aggressive dog and they saw Cesar saying to poke it with their fingers or pin it to the ground, so they tried it and of course the dog bit them.

    I will say though, I can watch Cesar on TV and not be bored to tears. He makes decent television, I'll give him that. The parelli DVDs on the other hand are kinda like watching paint dry, only less exciting. I would have watched them all just so I could have a better informed opinion, but I just couldn't sit through it. How that sells like hotcakes I'll never understand.


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    After an appropriate time passes you might refer to this time in your life like people that lived through the 70's.

    You know, you bring out the old photos of the crazy haircuts and when you were dressed up in Disco cloths.....UGH!

    Is that really me with the carrot stick in my hand?

    OH NO! I can't believe I did that!

    HAHA! Too funny, and so true.
         
        06-29-2010, 07:20 PM
      #23
    Trained
    This thread made my day! The only people I know who use these methods have horses who walk all over them, won't trailer load and they never ride because they say the horse did not give them permission to get on. I want to take them both to those people who deprogram cult members and bring them back to reality.
         
        06-29-2010, 07:34 PM
      #24
    BJJ
    Foal
    Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one that missed whatever Parelli is selling. I went to a class with people who had been through their courses---after over an hour they mounted the horses (these are their everyday riding horses) and most wouldn't go to the back of the arena because of some tall weeds on the other side of the fence. While they were allowing their horses to become at ease, the two of us that walked our horses right to the back, we loaded and left.
         
        06-29-2010, 07:43 PM
      #25
    Showing
    PP does have some good ideas when he gets to the point and doesn't commercialize everything. However, with the DVD series, I could probably sit down through the whole thing and maybe find 1 trick that I had not seen before and made me think "Hm, I might try that." Groundwork is great and all that but I don't feel the need to do 3 months worth of it before getting into the saddle. Yes, groundwork can translate to the saddle fairly easy if done right but saddle work translates to the ground just as easy. I have an 8 year old BLM mustang that was completely unhandled when I got him. Do you want to know how much time I have spent on groundwork with him......ever? Maybe a day and a half when I first brought him home. Just enough to get him going under saddle. He wouldn't even lead when I first started riding him and I never worked on it with him. Now he has impeccable ground manners, leads perfectly, respects my space, etc, etc. Everything you could possibly want in a well mannered horse. SR said it best. The program is geared toward fearful older women and teenagers who have seen Black Stallion and National Velvet too many times.

    Simply put, it is aimed at people with more dollars than sense.
         
        06-29-2010, 08:30 PM
      #26
    Trained
    I'm not a fan of PP, but I think his methods really are geared for beginners; thus the super long intros on all of the dvds, blah, blah, blah...For "NH" trainers, I prefer Clinton Anderson, and Chris Cox, as they are short to the point...they don't give alot of mumbo jumbo about undertanding your horse's brain, and whether he's an 'introvert or extrovert'...I'm sorry but a horse is a horse, no need to put human psychology terms to them.

    I think there is one major thing that Cesar relays well, too, and that is to be a calm assertive owner...I have trained and groomed dogs for well over 15 years, and I can tell you this is the most important peice of handling a dog; keep your calm, but make sure you are a 'leader' your dog will respect. I have few problems handling most types of dogs, even aggressive ones, as a groomer/trainer, because I take a no nonsensical type of attitude, but am not aggressive about it. Many of my dogs will stand on the table and be groomed without a grooming loop, where the same dogs will dance around, and try to jump off for another groomer.
         
        06-29-2010, 09:00 PM
      #27
    Yearling
    1. I am in agreement with this. I've never had any idea as to why Parelli was popular. I have had a lot of the same thoughts, as in, all of this seems slightly counter-productive and silly...
    And the person I know who uses it sounds exactly as you described. Let's her horse practically run her over and then 'scolds' him with a baby voice. *shakes head*

    Off-topic- please forgive this-
    2. Speedracer- this has left me half frightened and half curious. Would pictures be a bad thing or would they make me laugh?
         
        06-29-2010, 09:52 PM
      #28
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by smrobs    
    Groundwork is great and all that but I don't feel the need to do 3 months worth of it before getting into the saddle. Yes, groundwork can translate to the saddle fairly easy if done right but saddle work translates to the ground just as easy. I have an 8 year old BLM mustang that was completely unhandled when I got him. Do you want to know how much time I have spent on groundwork with him......ever? Maybe a day and a half when I first brought him home.
    It really depends on how old your horse is. I got both mine as yearlings. Messing with them on ground for number of months was the only way to go.
         
        06-29-2010, 09:59 PM
      #29
    Showing
    ^^Oh of course. I wasn't suggesting just skipping out on groundwork on the young'uns. God knows I have done enough with Rafe but IMHO, if a horse is riding age and there is no serious behavioral issues that need to be addressed from the ground first, it is really easy to overdo the groundwork and make both handler and horse very bored.
         
        06-29-2010, 10:12 PM
      #30
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by smrobs    
    If a horse is riding age and there is no serious behavioral issues that need to be addressed from the ground first, it is really easy to overdo the groundwork and make both handler and horse very bored.
    100% agree. You don't need to spend 3 months on a ground for just "building bond" - I truly believe it'll come naturally in process. Unless it's a bad abuse case, health issues, and such, of course.
         

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