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    09-18-2011, 09:08 PM
  #11
Trained
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Originally Posted by Corporal    
We've owned a few TB's and I Learned that they cannot: turn quickly, start quickly or stop quickly. One time we were trail-riding, DH on our TB, DD on our (racing bred) QH, and me on my Arab ("Corporal".) We had been walking over one mile on this straightaway and decided it might be fun to race back. My Arab got ahead to start (my QH just kept up--he Never had a heart for racing), and my TB gained ground and past us, and he kept speeding up by "changing gears." This gelding could NEVER stop quickly. I always had to ask at least 3 strides from a gallop to transition back to a trot, even though my Arab could fly from a stop and performed a respectible slide stop, when necessary.
Totally agree. My TB can run down any QH after a few changes of gear, but slamming to a stop isn't in his build. Sadly CA is a zillionaire from training horses and has not yet learned the most basic rule that all horses are not the same.
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    09-18-2011, 09:16 PM
  #12
Weanling
Well it is too bad that these P.T. Barnum clinicians are not being charged with horse abuse for some of the things they do. After all they are causing psychological and physical pain and discomfort to these horses.
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    09-19-2011, 11:53 AM
  #13
Green Broke
I think it REALLY helps to discuss these things on a forum. I believe that if you are willing to spend lots of time with your horse(s) AND you know how to control a dog, that your horse will respond to your own particular style. In other words, you are not wrong, and the TV trainers are not right about EVERYthing.
     
    09-19-2011, 12:19 PM
  #14
Green Broke
The horse in question had 6 months of feeding & turnout before CA started working with him.
     
    09-19-2011, 03:39 PM
  #15
Green Broke
I know--I've been DVRing the series, and I agree with THAT. I don't love or hate CA. I am cherry picking through his method and advice. RE: the leg issues discussed on this thread, it was something that bothered me and I hadn't put my finger on it until MyBoyPuck brought it up.
I believe that ALL horse training should be analyzed bc many people on this forum are very new to horses and are not sure about how to train them. They are counting on the rest of us to give them some help.
     
    09-28-2011, 06:44 PM
  #16
Trained
Okay, out of sheer chance, I did catch an episode last night of him working with that TB. He was riding the TB doing the cruising lesson. I was relieved to see that he does acknowledge a difference between hot bloods and the QH's he normally trains. When the TB broke gait at the canter, he took he time correcting him and never pushed him over the edge. Maybe he did learn something after the other TB Pitch went lame.

He did still do far more than I would have liked to see in a single session, and cringed about the slinky neck that horse is going to have after all that side to side stuff he does with them that can only loosely be called "flexing". I think if that TB could talk, several times last night, he would have said, "Stop I get it already!!!"

But overall I was happier than I expected to be with what I saw.
     
    09-28-2011, 06:50 PM
  #17
Weanling
Abuse of a horse is defined as doing anything to cause pain or discomfort to the horse............sorry but jerking on the bit and twisting the neck downward and rearward is abuse.
The flexing of the neck he and other clinicians are teaching is a fraudulent piece of information. YOU CANNOT flex the neck in the manner presented.
     
    09-28-2011, 06:58 PM
  #18
Trained
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Originally Posted by spirithorse8    
Abuse of a horse is defined as doing anything to cause pain or discomfort to the horse............sorry but jerking on the bit and twisting the neck downward and rearward is abuse.
The flexing of the neck he and other clinicians are teaching is a fraudulent piece of information. YOU CANNOT flex the neck in the manner presented.
Little bit of a jump to say CA abuses horses, don't ya think? If horses didn't have to do anything that didn't initially involve discomfort or pain, nobody would be able to ride them.

You have to be very careful when you point the finger and call something abuse. Someone more radical than yourself might look at your avatar and say that extra gear on your horse along with using a bit is abuse. We still live in a free country and definitions are relative when live creatures are involved. The TB in this video was definitely a bit peeved about being asked to do the same thing over and over again, but in pain?...no.
     
    09-29-2011, 09:26 AM
  #19
Green Broke
You must admit that CA can pick a TB with a good attitude. "Tricky Warrior" keeps his head super-flexed after being asked, more often than not. It's as if the horse is saying, "This is what you want?" To segeway, I noticed the horse is a little cow-hocked. Does anybody think that would affect his jumping ability? I REALLY like the horse. "Tricky" is very balanced and strides under well. I'm sure CA will have this horse sold before the series is over. Maybe that's the purpose?
     
    09-29-2011, 05:56 PM
  #20
Trained
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Originally Posted by Corporal    
You must admit that CA can pick a TB with a good attitude. "Tricky Warrior" keeps his head super-flexed after being asked, more often than not. It's as if the horse is saying, "This is what you want?" To segeway,
Totally agree. He's one smart TB, very easy to train. I'd snatch him up in a minute. He does almost have an attitude though when Clinton keeps asking him to repeat stuff. I kept expecting that horse to roll his eyes!
     

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