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        12-06-2011, 06:11 AM
      #21
    Foal
    Nevzorov uses aids


    And as already said, he stop riding horses : so cruel...
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        12-06-2011, 06:13 AM
      #22
    Weanling
    Not really that long relatively. I got what I normally get (w/t/c turn stop leg yield, and safe to ride/handle) in about 3x the time it would've taken me with normal equipment.

    Compared to other horses I break she was very similar in how she behaved in different situations while being ridden and she was just as 'controllable'. But she was 2 months behind, and had no idea how to be saddled, how to deal with the girth, or how to respond to bridle pressure.

    The horse didn't benefit from it compared to if I had used equipment. It was really more of a personal challenge than anything else
         
        12-06-2011, 07:30 AM
      #23
    Started
    As a test of skills - OK - do without tack and play with the horse!

    But the prime method of communication between human and horse is touch/feel, which is mostly made via items of tack. The use of speech or even voice are limited by the horse's limited ability to recognise words.

    The head collar has a purpose - to restrain and keep the horse out of danger or mischief. It is a safety device.

    The reins and bit are in soft hands provide a fine tool of communication.
    Through them we convey much of what we would otherwise like to be able to say to a horse. The reins demand instant attention on the part of the horse and this may well be important benefit in times of danger or stress.

    On foot without the use of reins, only the hands and fingers can communicate.

    The calves or thighs or heels of a human come into use only when the human is mounted - and how does one mount a 16H plus horse without stirrups or a mounting block

    I can't see the point of this experiment - unless it is to educate the rider/human to be more gentle in the use of tack.

    Even the most compliant of horse has to understand what is being asked of it and tack provides the means of communication between human and horse. Why throw the benefit away?
         
        12-06-2011, 07:51 AM
      #24
    Weanling
    I think it would be a great experience for both horse and handler an it could produce an amazing horse. The natives backed horses without equipment and their horse-rider relationship was something else entirly! Fair enough the rquimpent is supposed to make things easier but that's the whole idea of the challenge lol
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        12-06-2011, 08:39 AM
      #25
    Trained
    I could be a fun idea, but I can also see it ending very badly ! I hope you pick a good horse to do this with. Are you getting this horse unhandled ? Are you going to take it out of your pasture with no halter or rope on ?
         
        12-06-2011, 05:04 PM
      #26
    Foal
    Well I would say you can do it. But to do so expediently; one would have to retain the horse in a restricted area of such a size that the horse can avoid you, but not escape your influence.
    The rest is a matter of communications and understanding; which comes first in that forthcoming relationship Trust or Training? Once you understand the sequence the rest is repetition. Get started ....The time it will take you will depend on your ability to communicate what it is you want the horse to do. In addition to how receptive the horse is and whether or not he is psychologically sound (Sound Minded) And physically capable, iF YOU CAN COMMUNICATE IT; SUCH A HORSE THEY CAN LEARN IT.
         
        12-07-2011, 04:25 AM
      #27
    Foal
    [QUOTE=Barry Godden;1255953]\
    The calves or thighs or heels of a human come into use only when the human is mounted - and how does one mount a 16H plus horse without stirrups or a mounting block
    \QUOTE]

    Jump?!?!?!?!
         
        12-07-2011, 04:34 AM
      #28
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
    i could be a fun idea, but I can also see it ending very badly ! I hope you pick a good horse to do this with. Are you getting this horse unhandled ? Are you going to take it out of your pasture with no halter or rope on ?
    Yes I hope to get an unhandled horse, mainly just don't want it to have learned anything. And cost will play a part in that, gotta be able to resell it and make a buck. As far as taking it out of the pasture for a ride, that would really depend on how it was doing. Just for fun I rode my mustang mare on a 4 mile (one way) trailride with nothing. But no I am not looking to use my life insurance policy up just yet, if that's what your asking.
         
        12-07-2011, 02:37 PM
      #29
    Weanling
    [quote=Makoda;1257254]
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Barry Godden    
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    The calves or thighs or heels of a human come into use only when the human is mounted - and how does one mount a 16H plus horse without stirrups or a mounting block

    Jump?!?!?!?!

    You tube! Lol there's lots of fun ways to mount a horse!
         
        12-07-2011, 03:23 PM
      #30
    Started
    Jump onto a horse's back? - no I think not unless you are a young child.

    In all this theorising I keep thinking of my own horse, whom I have known for four years. We have a good relationship and I ask myself what it would be feasible to do strap free with her. She is only 15 hands - which means to get my leg over her back I would have to jump and clear 5ft. Trouble is, I weigh in the buff about 225lbs, which would lead to 225lbs+ plus force coming down on her back.

    I can say now with confidence that there is no way she would allow that to happen. I'd go to jump up and she would move out of the way - sharpish.
    Then she'd move back, look down at me lying on the ground and ask:
    "Why dummy, did you try that stunt?"

    And as I lifted my bruised and bent body up from the ground, I'd ask myself the same question
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